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Any ideas how they might handle people who opted not to get AP but we're expecting to only pay $3000-$3500 surely they will make the 1 camera option available to maintain that promise?

With the impending implementation of level 5 what cool features or uses would you like to see. For me I want the car to talk like Alfred so I can say "Alfred, how's traffic on the 405" and Alfred will respond "it's bumper to bumper, might I suggest we take an alternate route" and I'll say "yes...

Isn't there a 3 day happiness policy?

Yeah they brings up an whole other category of people, what about those who did not order AP1 expecting to add it later for $3500 do they now have to pay $6000?

I'm wondering how many of us ordered AP1.0 but will be receiving AP2.0 hardware and what your plans are.

@MP3Mike yeah that makes sense if it does degrade. Also if the group is bigger than a few hundred there is reason enough to maintain the differences

@MP3Mike you're right, it isn't bait n switch in the negative meaning of the phrase (it's more of a bait n upgrade), but the fact is we were told we would get one thing but are getting something else. What we are getting is significantly better than what we were expecting I definitely concede...

Starting a new thread here because this subject has come up in a couple places. When ordering a MX there is no option for non enhanced AP yet the APE wording says the enhancements include going from one to four camera's Does this mean that non standard is now included for no extra cost?

@MP3Mike I didn't give them any options I was just told I have to pay more. My statement was about how they could have made it less stressful and confusing.... Nowhere does it say AP uses 1 camera. The ONLY option listed is APE which states going from 1 to 4 cameras which explicitly implies 1...

That's not what my DS said, we have to pay more to get APE

Agreed that would have been nice

You know it wouldn't surprise me if the cameras didn't record. If tesla plans an automated Uber fleet and the car is accused of causing a serious accident you'd think they would want video of the accident to determine who is at fault

Absolutely, a self driving car is a dream I'm already forking out a lot $5000 more is small in comparison Although I think those who paid for AP should receive APE for free, either that or tesla should make an AP non enhanced available (maybe listed as no longer available) with just one camera...

Would have communicated better if they left out the who one camera part so that it read something like "The enhancements include four cameras to see fast-approaching vehicles in adjacent lanes."

My MX 60d is due for delivery in December, My Order sheet changed from saying: "Autopilot Convenience Features 2,500" to "Autopilot Hardware 1 with Convenience Features 2,500" Elon stated that ALL vehicle coming out of the factory now will have the new hardware suite..... does anyone have...

Hillary will launch nukes at Russia and within 4 minutes of her time in office there will be no environment to speak of. Trump on the other hand will make friends with everyone, charge them all according to their profiting off the US, then in turn lower everyone's taxes so they can all afford...

That's a good point, they should turn on the cameras to record and transmit live streams so you can prosecute all criminal activity and damage

What about the going from one camera to four? There is no option for one camera which suggests, to me anyways that it's included?

So the enhanced says your going from 1 to 4 camera's does this mean AP1.0 is now included standard?

Elon stated in the call that tesla vision is what they call the software and that it runs on several hardware platforms. The cameras are part of the sensor suite. You have a valid point about the hardware processing limitation though.

With the AP2 announcement I'm wondering what will happen when someone who has a tesla with AP2 hardware but only AP1 features enabled (1 camera) and gets into an accident. Currently the media blames most tesla accidents on autopilot regardless of the facts usually refuted by tesla with facts...

I imagine AP1 hardware will eventually switch to tesla vision (if it hasn't switched already) so both hardware's are on the same software since Elon did mention the software will run on any hardware. The AP2 will simply have more cameras and better sensors but it's entirely possible AP1 will...

I suspect the difference is between those who paid $2500 and $3000 for AP1 what sucks (well from my perspective anyways) is the ones who paid $2500 lose the discount they got on $2500 AP1 before the price increase when they upgrade to APE

I was told there are no discounts, I can stick with the autopilot I ordered at $2500 or pay an additional $2500 to upgrade to enhanced and $3000 to get full self driving all pending the functionality being available so basically no discount at all

Omg how cool would it be if it recognized and greeted you like Hal. Hello Dave, where where would you like to go today. Bonus Easter egg... "I'm sorry Dave I can't do that."

does anyone know if the radar and ultrasonic sensors are effected by sensors in other cars, e. g. if 200 teslas are on the road together do the sensors get confused?

as i was thinking of all the level 5 scenarios i couldn't help but wonder, is it harder to steal a level 5 car. Would you just goto the police station then summon the car :) Thoughts?

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mind blown, i was expecting AP 2.0 but i wasn't really expecting lvl 5

In the call Elon did state that they are no longer installing AP1. All cars coming out of the factory will include AP2 hardware, which answers one of my questions about our MX to be delivered in December. Now the question is if there will be an additional cost? I'm actually leaning towards...

I wonder if the 8 cameras could be used for parking security as well?

my 60d due for delivery in December says DA02 in the source code, does that mean they will still manufacture the old AP1 for existing orders or with that be changed... I cant imagine they would want their assembly line having to deal with two different installations, Im assuming they will have...

any mention on what they are doing for cars on order that havent been delivered yet, do we get a discount, do we get the upgrade for free???

omg i am so glad i pushed delivery to December

soooo is 5:03 what's up uncle E

M3 p2 = level 4 autonomy = tesla vision 4 all = :)

agreed, the snowball is gaining speed and size with time, the M3 is significantly simpler than the MX I expect they will deliver on time.

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just youtube mitm wifi, you'll see just how easy a hacker can attack you via wifi, passwords do not protect you.

This is wonderful news. This could possibly be the single greatest security fix tesla could implement, wifi is horribly insecure. Im sure the recent vulnerability discovered by keen illustrated to tesla just how vulnerable wifi can be. even if every security vulnerability was patched leaving...

omg, i hope they don't have a lurch forward bug in the future, maybe I'll back in when we get ours.

i would assume that it would recognize the bus because it's supposed to use the radar as the primary recognition and camera as a backup but this does bring up a good point, can you fool the camera with a picture, i wonder if tesla has tested this. reminds me of fooling face unlock on a phone...

Elon tweeted that he will be revealing a new product on Oct 17th i wonder if it's not going to be new AP 2.0 hardware. If it is new hardware, i wonder if they haven't been installing the new hardware such as the new nvidia suite of ai hardware for automation. if that is the case then it...

we are probably all wrong and it's a new mass market rocket for colonizing Mars after the election, with EM as the new president of Mars

its possible the signal is being bounced or even possibly amplified by something in your house, try putting your key fob significantly further away or in something that will shield radio signals and see if it continues to happen.

Trump is going to take back control of our energy, which is the best path to getting off our dependence of non renewable energy. Hillary is going to sell us out to the highest bidder while telling us that she has done more than any of her predecessors to move us towards renewable energy

The fact of the matter is that fossil fuels are NOT going away immediately, it is a slow conversion process, one well on its way thanks to the efforts of EM and the tesla community. ONE (of the many) problem is that while we have a current dependency on fossil fuel we have been signing and...

Starting October 17th 2016 you will be able to change your Model X into various other vehicles such as a Model S for a small fee. Made possible because all Tesla's are actually transformers that have been software limited to their current shapes thanks to a revolutionary new smart aluminum...

got our vin moments ago delivery set for end of November beginning of December

any chance tesla will upgrade the outstanding 60d orders