Search results

This thread is for the general discussion of the marketplace listing 2015 Model S 85D MSM/Black - Loaded, 72k, FUS, MCU2, New displays, Excellent. Please add to the discussion here.

Sure seems like something Tesla should be able to easily clear up, doesn't it? Instead, "battery is within specifications."

Funny, I just came back from looking at a 2022 MSP 21" with 15k miles on it. The SOC was 79 miles @ 25%. Is it still valid to extrapolate this to 316 miles @ 100%? I was pretty surprised to see that low a number, but just got on the Tesla site and see they show 320 miles with 21" tires. What...

Just spotted this one while picking up some Pho from a place in the shopping center. Now I know why his prices are so high; he must think Tesla drivers are loaded! 🤑 Was excited to have a place close enough to occasionally charge our S85 for free while getting some grub.

85kw? Batterygate capping and range loss.

They offered me $500 for MCU2 when I scheduled my eMMC recall. I was going to get LTE, so it was a no brainer to take the deal. Tried to get a deal on the radio upgrade too, but no bite on that.

I keep reading this and can't figure out how you reach that conclusion. A: Some number of Tesla Model S vehicles have burned without any apparent external source of heat. Do you disagree? B: They released software to prevent condition X, which has never occurred, and adjust for condition Z...

Ideally both top and bottom, right? To get the maximum power into the battery and then get it all back out, hitting 0 with all modules essentially "empty" at whatever the minimum power limit is.

Following on that part of my comment, it speaks to @David99 pointing out the differences between module/cell degradation and chargegate. With a capped pack the goal of charging may still be to put as much power into the pack as possible, but a different limitation besides module differences has...

Really interesting observation. Glad you tracked it. You seem to have a group of modules contributing. I have a single module that has reached a peak of ~14mV delta, so not crazy, but still stands out. I'll do a similar test to see if the imbalance reduces due to usage. It makes sense for...

Sure looks like a voltage cap to me. If the cap is indirect through some other capping mechanism it's still specific enough to be quantified as a voltage cap.

Am I confused? Your Raven has a 100kWh battery, right? Those are not known to be affected by charge limiting or extra battery cooling, or yours would be the first known report. The other cars are affected by the 2019.16 or later changes for 85kWh and smaller batteries. The fan behavior is...

I summarized what I could find a while back, excluding collisions. I don't have any info on conclusions for the two fires reported this year, but neither appear to be related to a collision. I can update if anyone has info.

When I researched before buying I mostly focused on mileage. Could the battery survive delivering the kind of mileage you see on high quality ICE vehicles, such as Toyota, so at least providing some return for the elevated cost. There was plenty of evidence they could and the fact even very...

Really by getting the aftermarket equipment. I think it's around $100 all in, depending on which OBD dongle you choose. I was able to route the adapter cable up behind the cubby and have the dongle dangling at the back, right corner of the yacht floor, under the cubby. My wife didn't even...

Because it is still the best car I have ever owned, and I've owned a lot.

That's a good point. In manufacturing large complex systems you assemble thousands of parts from many different suppliers who themselves may have done likewise. It is not uncommon to find new failure modes in the install base or in manufacturing after some have already been shipped. Then...

Realizing it's heading way off topic, though relevant to how we weigh and compare the various attempts at using science based data, real evidence, and reasonable conjecture to understand the subject at hand, there are some key factors the quoted article misses on why people disagree on science...

It is certainly possible there were separate actions in the firmware related to fire issues and longevity issues. Let's say X was potential thermal runaway due to gremlins in the cells. They ran test software and found it either wasn't likely (existing remediation was handling it) or didn't...

The math is wrong. The denominator is not all Tesla vehicles produced thus far. It is of earlier model S & X vehicles, likely with specific battery models, but we can't be clear which, because the data is not revealed by Tesla. There have been a good number of non-crash related fires. Agreed...

Thanks. I've actually got an old 3B I won at a conference and used to teach my daughter about computers sitting on my desk. About time it earned its keep!

Wow, if you invest this much time here with this lot your life's dreams could be met if you headed over to Facebook or Quora and joined some discussions on racial equality. Get all those folks to tell the truth and end hyperbole and I'll nominate you for a Nobel; your pick which one! I guess...

Right. Why does your car have magic sauce (dendrites, plating, whatever) in its cells and mine doesn't, though they are nearly idenitical? I got mine from someone in Colorado, so it's hard to imagine it didn't see some cold charging in its first four years of life. I've supercharged it about...

I'm fortunate to have two separate garages, so the Tesla has it's own. That's why I put the 2nd one in the house. It was intended to go in my garage, but then I wondered and confirmed they are prone to false alarming there. The contact sensor is rated to 40C. Kind of dumb. It will get that...

A couple of these https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B081W4WQHC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00 and one of these to track door state, but also has temperature, so why not? https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F956F3B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01 I've got a Smartthings hub and a few...

Yes, when this whole drawn out Perry Mason episode started and Chaserr first commented on treating his car as a potential combustion source I considered it as well. Being uncapped, thought I would wait to see if it became capped, since we didn't really have a clear understanding of why Tesla...

My wife and a friend's wife also drive like that. I've wanted to chart it to show her, but then I remember I'm not that stupid. Mutated throttle gene?

I laughed when I saw we got an update notice tonight and came to look. A bit anti-climactic to find it was already out before the fire. :-P

You can see the intact left rear lamp plastic and closed charge door in one of the pictures. Hard to charge with the door closed.

Looks to me like the fire was extinguished before it could consume the whole Tesla. Most of the front left of the vehicle is completely gone. That takes a lot of heat, which is commonly seen with battery fires. Gasoline fueled car fires normally leave most of the vehicle intact.

I was thinking, "Is he really that drunk?"

And we thought we were chatty! Barely 3 months to whoosh past us. Wish I'd paid attention to that thread, could have saved myself a bunch of money.

Modifying the software to prevent the fires is a valid method for mitigation. The collateral impact on the owners and how the change was done, including communications is the primary issue. Everything is run by software now. Software and firmware prevents all kinds of devices from reaching...

Going by Wiki's Plug-in Vehicle Fires page section on Tesla there were 2 in 2016, 1 in 2018, and 5 in 2019, and none since. This for Model S and Model X, not counting crashes. Five within a one year period prior to and only one since the capping. Maybe not enough data to be statistically...

First, Jolt, that avatar is hilarious! Really started my day with a laugh. I'll try to get out and scan my pack today and see what it has.

I don't place much on such a motion. It's a fundamental move. Every lawyer is going to work hard to start as far from the middle as possible, so they can give concessions without giving away the things they don't want to.

It's good that you have no problem with the changes, since you have no choice. :) It's also charitable that you take their word for how it improves battery life, despite their refusal to provide any information showing how and why battery life is now so much shorter than originally planned that...

Vmin isn't zero, so it's more than 2%. I know it's been discussed here, but not finding it right off. It's fairly high, in the 3V range?

Regen has been a total psychopath for me lately. None at all @ 50F. A little at 40. None at 35. Partial at 65. Full at 45. Just all over the place.

There are still a lot of uncapped cars, including mine. I assume that means Tesla doesn't think my car is in danger of immolating itself. The sudden frequent occurrences of "Charging limited, get it serviced NOW!" alerts sounds like maybe they can identify cars with greater potential to...

I do think you hit on it earlier. How many reported fires (outside of high energy collisions) have been reported since batterygate rolled out?

Yes, that is how those components degrade. A thrown rod is a broken engine; not degraded. Not the best analogy. Try to get an engine with a thrown rod repaired under warranty and you're in for a long fight. If you can prove you maintained it according to schedule you may succeed. A tire...

I was just about to follow up on one of my own posts discussing design defects and read yours. Manufacturing defects are another common cause for failures in the field. You get a bunch of failures that are outside the expected fault parameters, you begin looking at production lots, and you...

That is an absurd statement. Note this is not an attack, it is the proper use of the word "absurd". There is no minimum percentage of occurrence for an error to be designated a defect vs. <some other term you want to suggest?> In the IT industry we often have defects that affect very small...

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. If the battery is degraded, in that the battery no longer holds the original charge capacity, no BMS action is necessary in response. The battery has already done what degradation requires, lost capacity. Using the BMS to further reduce capacity has nothing...

Your words: "certain damage" That's why it's warranted. Because it is damage under normal (and repeatedly communicated as allowable by Tesla) usage. If my ICE truck suffers damage under normal usage, such that it cannot be safely revved beyond 3000 RPM would it be OK for Chevrolet to take it...

And Edsel. Should have named it after his son. Aztec does keep coming up as well (the tent shot doesn’t make it easier to forget). The folks at Pontiac saw a good thing there.

Looking at the interior shot, the high point is over or just in front of the driver’s head. The rear headrests are lower than the front and the roof is right over them. Gonna have to downsize to a five gallon hat. Or is it now a 5kw hat?

Elon seems to continue believing people should store small objects randomly around the floorboards. Not a single bin or pocket in sight. It does look like a fold down console in the middle back seat and the middle front looks like it folds down flat and is thicker, so possibly has storage...