BigNick
Infamous Fat Sweaty Guy
But more importantly, if we decide to skip the next update, should we be parking outside again?
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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BigNick
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I'm running 2020.16.2.1, the latest provided by Tesla before this incident.
But how would we know what version the destroyed car was running?
I'm sure Tesla won't be telling us, the press, or anyone.
But how would we know what version the destroyed car was running?
I'm sure Tesla won't be telling us, the press, or anyone.
The only way to know what is safe would be for Tesla to stop criminally covering up last year's fire investigation and report what they know like the law requires. Since Tesla doesn't take seafety seriously we have to wait for the NHTSA to force some transparency, and the only reason we have this discussion is because of their disregard for our safety exchange for money.
I've already contacted the owner and the local FD. It doesn't sound like the FD can check software and the owner hasn't responded yet, but the fire did start in the Tesla which wasn't plugged in.
I'm going to try and buy the MCU from them before insurance takes it and mail it to an EMMC repair specialist. It will have logs and versions that may benefit us all, and the hacker I'm talking to can potentially extract data from a burned MCU if the chip itself isn't too damaged to wire up the pins to his external recovery board - he already extracts data from damaged EMMCs by desoldering them. The irony here is Tesla's EMMC problem makes recovering the data easier because they already have lots of experience, and that is teh chip where logs are saved.
I've already contacted the owner and the local FD. It doesn't sound like the FD can check software and the owner hasn't responded yet, but the fire did start in the Tesla which wasn't plugged in.
I'm going to try and buy the MCU from them before insurance takes it and mail it to an EMMC repair specialist. It will have logs and versions that may benefit us all, and the hacker I'm talking to can potentially extract data from a burned MCU if the chip itself isn't too damaged to wire up the pins to his external recovery board - he already extracts data from damaged EMMCs by desoldering them. The irony here is Tesla's EMMC problem makes recovering the data easier because they already have lots of experience, and that is teh chip where logs are saved.
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Looks to me like the fire was extinguished before it could consume the whole Tesla. Most of the front left of the vehicle is completely gone.
That takes a lot of heat, which is commonly seen with battery fires. Gasoline fueled car fires normally leave most of the vehicle intact.
You can see the intact left rear lamp plastic and closed charge door in one of the pictures. Hard to charge with the door closed.
I laughed when I saw we got an update notice tonight and came to look. A bit anti-climactic to find it was already out before the fire.
That is probably true more for cars made from steel than it is for cars made from aluminum like the Model S.
Maybe from the charred remains of the Tesla? It was very obvious from that photo where the fire began. It wasn’t the Porsche.
What in the picture makes it so obvious that it couldn't have started with the Porsche?
I'm serious, I would like to learn what you can see in that picture that is so definitive.
As it seems that you are saying from that picture you can see that:
- The fire started in the Tesla
- The fire spread from the Tesla to the Porsche
- The fire fully engulfed the front 3/4 of the Porsche
- The fire spread from the Porsche to the house
JRP3
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Both vehicles seem to have much less paint damage in the rear sections. The S of course has glass in the hatch which failed and some of the aluminum melted. The S right side front paint is also still in good shape while all the front paint on the Porsche seems to have been cooked off, though I can't see all the left side. The discoloration pattern on the Porsche from front to back makes it look as if the hottest part was in the front of the Porsche. Both headlights in the Porsche are gone but the right front in the S is intact. The left front and part of the side of the S being aluminum melted away completely. I'd think a battery fire in the S would have consumed the vehicle more evenly. Most of the pictures I looked at of Model S battery fires showed the front end consumed fairly evenly. The report said the fire was quickly controlled, which is usually not the case with a fully involved Tesla pack fire. Very odd.
Looks like they used foam and not just the standard water fire department use. I'd say that why it was quickly contained.Both vehicles seem to have much less paint damage in the rear sections. The S of course has glass in the hatch which failed and some of the aluminum melted. The S right side front paint is also still in good shape while all the front paint on the Porsche seems to have been cooked off, though I can't see all the left side. The discoloration pattern on the Porsche from front to back makes it look as if the hottest part was in the front of the Porsche. Both headlights in the Porsche are gone but the right front in the S is intact. The left front and part of the side of the S being aluminum melted away completely. I'd think a battery fire in the S would have consumed the vehicle more evenly. Most of the pictures I looked at of Model S battery fires showed the front end consumed fairly evenly. The report said the fire was quickly controlled, which is usually not the case with a fully involved Tesla pack fire. Very odd.
Foam won't get inside the pack and put a fire out. So if foam did the job, it is highly unlikely that the battery was involved in the fire.
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