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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    The car sold today. A similar 2021 Tesla Model S LR with FSD sold in NY for $61k as well after price cuts. These are the going wholesale price for the car.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Dealer only auction, so it’s wholesale. Folks here were lowballing this car. And it hurts because even at $60k, it just paid off the loan. My late father took quite a bath on this car - down payment plus loan payments works out to something ridiculous like >$4 cost per mile driven. He was a...
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Sold at auction for $60k. @clerks sorry I stopped monitoring this thread after passing it to a dealer friend who was willing to help me out.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    @clerks @EvKhan you cannot get a car with FSD for $75k… The same config costs $90k new So, at $65k price, it is a 28% depreciation for only 12.8k miles.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    @EvKhan Well aware, that’s why I dropped the price as well. It’s $65k for the same thing you can get online for $89,240 (add FSD, cream interior, FSD, and yoke) with only 12.8k miles. That’s a bargain deal already @morbidz you have to consider FSD, which is included in this car, and also cream...
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    I’m not desperate, that’s a lowball - less than owed on the loan and less than I can get with a trade in. DM me if you’ve got a reasonable offer.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Yes it is in perfect condition. Like new, as you can see in the photos. Only 12.8k miles. I have been taking it out to exercise it so it does not sit.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Lost my father to cancer last week. Hoping to sell his car so I can help out my mother get on her feet.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Ok, maybe some interest at $69,420?
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    It is a really good price for a car with only 12.5k miles on it. Hope someone wants it 🤷‍♂️
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Fall 2021, after the refresh - you can see that by the black trim pieces vs the previous chrome.
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    $65k for a PA 2021 Refresh Blue Model S LR with FSD only 12.5k miles

    Now asking $65k for a 2021 refresh Blue Tesla Model S LR with FSD and only 12.8k miles. Located in Pennsylvania in philadelphia area close to New Jersey, New York. This spec sells for $89,240 when buying new on Tesla’s website right now. The car has a clean title, like new, no issues. Options...
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    Great headline from Anton Wahlman on Seeking Alpha: "August Sales Are In: Chevrolet Bolt EV Outsold Tesla Model 3 To The Tune of 28:1"
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    [Spoiler Alert + Mild Speculation] Tesla has created a monster!

    Can you provide a link? Also, do you have the same document for Model S?
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    I wrote an article on Seeking Alpha outlining how Tesla can be profitable in 2018 based on conservative assumptions, the perma-bears over there think 15% gross margins on Model 3, 440k deliveries in 2018, etc. are out of this world bullish assumptions. Boy, they are in for a surprise... Link...
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    That's strange, because UBS bundles the D&A with R&D and SG&A into "Other Opex" (which totals $7,952 per unit) in this chart:
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    This is the interesting chart in the report I think: This chart is interesting because essentially, UBS expects a 15% gross margin on the base version Model 3 and a 21% gross margin on a Model 3 with a sales price of $42,000. Elon Musk expects 25% gross margins, and Seeking Alpha perma-bears...
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    Source There will be plenty of battery supply for car companies, Tesla's advantage is their involvement in the supply chain while other auto companies will get their supply from suppliers.
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    Revenue increased 235% year-over-year this quarter, while operating expenses increased by only 85% year-over-year. This trend will continue, and Tesla will likely be profitable in 2018 as a result. Stop hyperventilating.
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    So we have our answer, shorts have not received Elon's message about stormy weather, and if Q1 is as good as Elon has let on, they will run for the exits. The story of the shorts is quite interesting over the last 6 months or so. Short interest bottomed out at 26,213,855 shares on August 31...
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    Elon Musk telegraphed this one on April 3. Obviously, the big money and most of the bulls have received his message. The question is, did the shorts receive it, or are they about to take the knockout punch? We should find out today when short interest is posted.
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    I did a quick estimate of how many charging locations Tesla is adding by going to this page, clicking a country, and finding all "coming soon" chargers. I found that Tesla is adding 398 charging locations in North America, 155 in Europe, 100 in Asia/Pacific, and 4 in the Middle East for a...
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    2017 Investor Roundtable:General Discussion

    Google finance has a strange way of calculating market cap. Using the current share price and share count from google finance yields different results: Honda 1.8B shares x $29.66 = $53.39B GM 1.5B shares x 34.24 = $51.36B Tesla 162.9M shares x $301.19 = $49.06B Ford 3.9B shares x $11.38 =...
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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2016

    With all this talk about the threatening situation for the shorts, perhaps institutions are catching on... About 315 million shares traded hands in Q1 (Source), and of those, one bank, the Bank of Montreal, purchased 4.3 million shares in one quarter, or 1.4% of all shares traded over 61 trading...
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    Tesla BEV Competition Developments

    I'll just leave this here: (first graph is google search statistics for Chevy Bolt, second graph is google search statistics for Model 3 overlayed on the Chevy bolt statistics): Chevrolet Bolt Interest by 32no posted Apr 10, 2016 at 6:03 PM Tesla Overlay Interest by 32no posted Apr 10, 2016 at...
  26. Chevrolet Bolt Interest

    Chevrolet Bolt Interest

  27. Tesla Overlay Interest

    Tesla Overlay Interest

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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015

    Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered. At these levels, the shorts trying to push the stock down further are demonstrating pig-like rapacity. Those who are still shorting will be punished I think, just like the longs were punished when we got greedy in the $280s. Anyway...
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    Prediction Competition for 2015

    I would venture to say that Tesla will ramp up Model S production to a rate that allows them to meet the lower end of guidance and maybe even more (this would mean going from 1100 cars per week currently to close to 1500). I say this because in the shareholder letter, Tesla wrote that the reason...
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    Prediction Competition for 2015

    Bonaire, you're celebrating prematurely. You think that just because Tesla needs to step up their production in the last quarter by a huge amount that they can't do it, and you use analysts, whom none of us have historically trusted, as your evidence. Tesla guided for 50-55k afterall. They...
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    What other tech stock to consider?

    What do you guys think of GPRO? It's really battered at this point, with a similar short percentage of float as Tesla, and is currently undergoing similar manipulations as Tesla is from analysts like Adam Jonas. The company is still doing well, there have been some minor bumps like poor Session...
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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015

    Volkwagen's Market Cap was $87 billion before the fall this morning, now it is around $60 billion.
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    Model X reveal impact on TSLA

    Also, it's highly unlikely that it will become an issue for demand because based on the renderings, the space in the Model X will be quite cavernous. And if people are worried about bikes, skis, and snowboards, those can all be secured onto a bike rack or ski rack instead of putting wet and...
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    EU Market Situation and Outlook

    Tesla is charging more for the Model S in some European countries and less in others. Kind of strange: CountryPrice (S70)VATPrice-VATPrice in dollarsPremium%Norway (Kr)548,000-548,000$66,887(-$3113)-4.45%UK (Pound)50,80020%42,333$65,265(-$4735)-6.76%Netherlands...
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    2015 Q3 Discussion thread for Delivery numbers

    Ok, you're right. :smile: Facelifting the Model S at this time makes no sense to me for multiple reasons. First of all, there is no need to introduce new supplier products in the Model S during a "significantly-ramping-up" quarter, as it could cause delays as suppliers can't always ramp fast...
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    2015 Q3 Discussion thread for Delivery numbers

    Sorry, but Inside EVs has a low estimate for the August month (1300) in North America because supposedly, the outage caused by the crane lasted from the 14th to the 17th, 4 days of production at slightly over 200 cars per day. Link: http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015

    This cannot be. States cannot require an automotive company operating in another state to keep deposits from cars ordered from that state in escrow. This is interstate commerce, which local and state governments cannot put their hand in without getting it slapped away by the federal government...
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    Model X Online Configuration by September.

    So I've been going to the Model S design studio and changing the "S" to an "X" to see if the X design studio is online: (http://my.teslamotors.com/models/design) to this (http://my.teslamotors.com/modelx/design). I used to get redirected to the X page, but now I get redirected to the Model S...
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    Tesla Gigafactory Investor Thread

    I'm a bit late to the party, but on the last page tftf claimed that Morgan Stanley says Tesla needs to spend $14 billion in Capital Expenditures through 2020 to meet their goals. This is false, and I am pretty sure tftf deliberately left out a caveat about that $14 billion, because I have seen...
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    Tesla Motors Web site down for maintenance... [BIG GRIN]

    DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS ELON???
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    Model X Mule Sightings

    Wouldn't the last post on the page be this one? In which case, LAST! Model X by Aug 31 please.
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    Long-Term Fundamentals of Tesla Motors (TSLA)

    Those are gull wing doors, which have single hinges. The Model X falcon wings are totally invented by Tesla, no other car has dual hinged doors. Also, interesting piece of news: Jeep has confirmed that it will soon release a Hellcat powered Grand Cherokee that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. It's...
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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015

    I think it might have been a misquote that was edited, because I don't see that quote, I see: EDIT: sorry, I saw your post and replied right away before seeing the correction.
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    Morgan Stanley Massively Hikes Price Target on Tesla, Says Stock Could Almost Double

    The mobility business really seems to be a good fit for Tesla's strategy. It is the norm for Tesla to front the initial costs and lose money and burn cash in order to ensure a profitable future. Tesla could do the same in the mobility business by setting up stations with solar panels...
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    Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015

    Tesla doesn't really need the capital that they will raise based on their current cash position (right now that is, they could have raised when the stock is higher). Which makes me think: what if the capital raise was to spook the tier 1 suppliers into compliance? Tesla can threaten to simply...