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if you don’t plan to buy out at the end of the lease, why not charge to 100%? If Tesla is smart enough, they should software lock cars that are on lease to prevent frequent charge to 100%. That’s another reason not to buy a used Tesla off lease.

This may explain why tesla limited charging speed on 2024 MY RWD. I expect the paid unlock will also unlock charging speed. Otherwise, most of the commuters living in the city would not pay to get the 60miles additional range alone as they can simply charge the car to 100% every time to...

Agreed, 60-0 is more important than 0-60 to the majority of the MY RWD buyers. M3P buyers probably care more about 0-60. Not being grumpy, just trying to point out the market segmentations of MY RWD- living in the city, not young anymore, care about family safety more than speed, don't need the...

The little difference in battery should not matter in real world driving experience. But 2023 MY RWD has 11 speakers 2 amps premium audio, 2024 MY RWD no longer has premium audio. This really sucks for 2024 buyers.

RWD buyers do not care about acceleration. Moot point.

correction - 2023 MY RWD most likely uses LG NMC cells. 2024 MY RWD Panasonic cells are likely NCA. I guess NCA cells have higher thermal runway risks, so tesla limited its charging speed. But NCA cells should provide better accelleration.

2024 MY RWD - ~ Panasonic NCA 2170 79kwh locked at ~67kwh - charging speed locked at 160kw - standard audio - 32A onboard charger? 2023 MY RWD - ~ LG NCA 2170 78kwh locked at ~70kwh - charging speed not locked ~220kw - premium audio - 48A onboard charger arguably, the Panasonic...

Agree. No conclusion yet, all rumors. someone also reported that 2024 MY RWD has a 32amp onboard charging unit vs 2023's 48amp. This is pointing to a smaller battery pack.

This is a nice new perspective. I think most corporate fleet customers have their own garages and wall chargers. Rideshare MYs are rare. Rental companies will not buy EVs anyway as we all know what just happened to Hertz tesla rentals. If this is really Tesla's marketing strategy, I think they...

I'm curious about the rationale of tesla strategy -- 2023 MY RWD 78kwh LG locked at 70KWH, about 10% locked, with premium audio,. 2024 MY RWD Panasonic 82kwh locked at 67kwh, about 20% locked, with regular audio. both advertised 170kw max charging rate.

A salesperson would say anything to get you buy things. Try asking him to put it down on paper...

how do you know it has a 67kwh battery pack? is 67 kwh usable or total?

my 2023 MY RWD now shows 259miles at 100%. but it is projecting 287miles in energy app. can someone explain the difference?

interesting. Fremont starts to manufacture MY RWD with LFP packs. But it looks like those units are for exporting to Canada. The question still remains for the battery type on tax credit eligible US MY RWD units.

Microsoft then CEO went on TV and said the first iPhone was a joke! It's not only about today. It is also/more about the future.

Without autonomous driving functions/potentials, Rivian does not have a chance to compete with Tesla. Their best outcome would be getting acquired by apple or google or GM. I certainly wish this acquisition would happen so that Tesla will have a real competitor in the market.

It looks like 2024 MY RWD uses a PHYSICALLY smaller size battery than 2023 MY RWD since it does not make sense for tesla to software limit charging speed.

2023 MY RWD can only charge at about 50KW at 90% SOC.

Interesting. If 2024 uses the same pack on MY LR and locked it down to 66kWh, that would be 20% (66/82) locked capacity. waiting to see charging curve to confirm this though. Btw, to protect your eyes, dim your phone screen before watching the above Branden Flasch video. His videos are so...

I would not recommend getting a pure EV, LR or not, if you do not have home overnight charging. ICE or hybrid works better in this case. On the flip side, if you have home overnight charging, it is really about the same for the LR and SR as to daily commute. Even if you are doing a road trip...

I believe the hold only affects the performance trim of MY

2024 MY RWD has a 66.5kwh battery per published EPA report. Unless someone tests the delivered car and says otherwise, this still holds true for now. I have not seen anything being said by a 2024 MY RWD owner here in this forum yet. I guess the 2024 MY RWD is really not selling well.

It looks like the 2024 model battery is 3-4kwh smaller in size compared to 2023 model. Hope someone can report the actual 2024 car test results including charging curve soon.

This is unlikely! Tesla is not conservative at all in estimating range and every EV maker extract every mile of range for advertising due to competition!

I believe what you saw was 2023 MY RWD not 2024 model. 2023 has a software locked big battery which actually can charge at 250kw peak. I guess they did not want to advertise that because otherwise 2024 model would look like a downgrade from 250kw to 170kw. If 2024 model can charge at 250kw...

I bet it is a smaller size battery that can only peak at 170kw charging speed, otherwise they would have advertised the charging peak speed as 250kw.

They do come up during light show for sure.

Guess I have to check during the next foggy day.

There is no separate control on 2023 MY RWD as if it was not equipped with fog lights. But the fog lights turn on automatically by themselves.

Since there is no way to manually control the fog lights on the screen, many of us believe that the fog lights are disabled on 2023 MY RWD. Today is extremely foggy in GA. I found the fog lights automatically turned on.

Yes. After the rule change, 2023 MY RWD is no longer eligible for tax credit while 2024 model is still eligible. The only explanation is that they use different batteries.

It must be different from 2023. 2023 MY RWD battery is not eligible for tax credit while 2024 is eligible.

It looks like the 2024 US model Y rwd delivery has started. Tesla inventory site even has some at discounted prices (yes, 2024 models as indicated by tax credit eligibility). I'm curious about the battery type and size.

For Tax and fees, please consult your accountant. Lol

Lots of folks bought inventory 2023 MY RWD at discounts up to 4k in Dec 2023. So the after tax credit price is roughly $33K. I don't think you can get one at $33k currently. additionally, the 6-month free charging is gone.

any news about the 2024 MY rwd battery chemistry and size?

I think this is the most likely case.

Canadian MY SR comes with 60kwh LFP battery vs US version's 78kwh (software locked to 70kwh) NCM battery.

I would say it is almost confirmed that 2023 MY RWD no longer qualifies tax credit in 2024. You can check the fueleconomy.gov website. 2023 MY RWD is in the tax credit eligible list for vehicles placed in service before December 31 2023. But in the latest list published on December 30 for...

those custom order MY RWD probably are the 2024 models with different battery packs. 2023 MY RWD is no longer eligible for any tax credit per IRS.

Tesla inventory website MY RWD is gone. The RWD filter has been removed. IRS updated rule only listed MY RWD 2024 can get 7500 tax credit. All other eligible tesla models show eligibility for 2023-2024 models. Can anyone explain what's going on?

I just checked several zip codes on tesla inventory page. It looks like MY RWD is disappearing. There are only few demo vehicles are still there.

I did the calculation the same way. at 51% soc, projected 137miles with average 262wh/mile. 137/0.51*262=70.38kwh it looks like the usable battery size is around 70KWH.

if this is the same battery pack in M3 LR, why won't MY RWD lose $7500 tax credit as M3 LR?

judging from the sound, it should have a subwoofer somewhere.

why did Tesla use slightly different rear drive motor for LR AWD and SR RW? LR AWD - 200kw, SR RWD - 198kw.

I would want tesla to enable AWD for me one day when I move to the north.... haha

It looks like the actual MY RWD sold uses different battery pack and has different curb weight from what were documented in the EPA certificate. How could they still sell the cars with this non-applicable EPA certificate? Is there an updated MY RWD EPA certificate?

so, at this point, can we be sure that MY RW uses the same LR battery pack?