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Whooooops. Yes indeed.

Agreed. Canada has 10% the population of the US. If we assume that half of the 400,000 initial reservations came from the US, and we extrapolate to Canada, that would mean 40,000 reservations holders in Canada. If 2/3 of them are waiting for AWD or the standard battery, that would leave...

10 years. At least. My current car is almost 14

Honestly, probably not going to get either of them. If I get the tax credit, I'll consider turning them on later, but I'll spend my initial money on things that can't be turned on by software later.

Average Joe public doesn't know about either of those things. If they know anything at all, it's that Teslas are: A) Electric, and B) Expensive

This. The name of the game is to limit depreciation on whatever vehicle you get. Accord/Civic/Camry/Corolla all fit the bill. Get one that's 3-5 years old so that it isn't seen as an "old" car when it comes time to sell it in a couple years and recoup your money.

Odds I can get a Model 3 with upgraded battery, Dual Motor, Cold weather package, and Supercharger for $45k or less? I suppose those odds increase if SC's are pay as you go, or can be bought in blocks of credits.

But I bet weight will be similar given the steel/aluminum M3

I'm pretty sure Elon has mentioned that Maximum Plaid would be saved for a next gen Roadster (if they ever do it)

Because as with everything Model S/X...it's paying to make the Model 3 more affordable to the average consumer? I too think that the introduction of the Model 3 will come with a lower SC cost, and when it does that will become the new cost for the S 60kwh owners as well.

You guys bring up some good points relating Supercharging as an option that enables additional value to be unlocked, similar to other options. All I'm saying is that for those who find the option to be more than they would get back in return, we need to evaluate whether the Model 3 is still the...

Which is why I put it in quotations. And we aren't talking about the car itself, we're talking about the cost of supercharging.

Right. However intentions can change. What you'll be purchasing is a car that's incapable of going longer distances, even in an emergency. Say you have to fly home for Thanksgiving and your flight is cancelled. The airlines can't get you there until Friday because everything is booked up...

I live in WI, but make trips home to MI about 2-3x per year. This is most of my long distance travel. Roughly 400 miles each way. Add in a couple closer long distance trips. So let's say I do about 3000 miles per year where I would use the SC network. Our trip car gets about 25mpg so that's...

Sure. Slow charging. At least at the moment.

What you're missing is that I'll be charging most of the time at home. So the question is whether I would use $2500 in gas while on longer distance trips (ie, when I'll use the SC network). Add in the time value of money and this becomes a very poor ROI.

I'm really enthusiastic about getting this car, but it the cost is really going to be $2500, I'll need to really evaluate whether this is the right car for me. While this will not be our family trip car (that most certainly will be our Honda Odyssey), it would be nice to have the option to take...

Those were prototypes. Certainly hand assembled.

Not sure if serious?

Part of me wonders whether the old guard of auto manufacturers would actively lobby against an extension. Tesla would be the clear beneficiary of an extension and other automakers have zero interest in seeing them succeed.

Right. That quote isn't accurate. The full subsidy does not end as soon as 200,000 is reached. There is a two quarter sunset before the 1/2 subsidy kicks in ($3750) Exact verbiage from the IRS: The new qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicle credit phases out for a manufacturer’s...

If you get it in 2017, you could always use the option to pre-fund your 2018 taxes. The Government would be more than happy to hold on to your your money.

That article isn't correct and is certainly out of date with the new rate of production of the MS. That said, I think a LOT of us (in the US) who ordered in the first few days will get the full tax credit. The tax credit begins it's phase out period after the 200,000th unit is DELIVERED, not...

I think there will be two major cancellation bumps. One will be when it actually comes time to configure the car and people now have to come up with a lot more than $1000 or figure out ways to finance their vehicle. The other will come when the tax credit starts to expire.

Why would you expect that they know your exact place in line right now? When the time comes, they'll need to work out a proper delivery schedule, but right now I'd be stunned if they had that. That's step 137. They're on step 22.

Wow. Old thread. I'd be over the moon if the M3 came standard with dual motors. Would give me $4k to spend on other options.

Fair point. It's only relevant that I have a M3 reservation and find myself daydreaming at Superchargers about the future. No more, no less. Happy to hear I'm not alone! This SC was in Pleasant Prairie, WI BTW.

After my triathlon this morning I treated myself to a drive past the local supercharger. Only you guys understand me. A white model S pulled in just as I left.

I'm hoping for a Midnight Blue or Sig Red (unlikely)

I'm not sure why you'd assume other manufacturer's BEVs would be more reliable than Tesla's when they have far less experience at making them than Tesla has.

You beat me to my delete. I just looked it up and found the same info. I'm happy to be wrong here :)

Also, don't tax returns count as income? I know you're required to list any tax returns from the previous year on the following year's return, I'm just not sure if it gets counted as "income". (This is why I pay for someone else to do them). If so, that fat $7500 return is probably going to...

I expect no more and no less than Tesla promised when I reserved the vehicle. 215 miles per charge and seating for 5 adults. Everything else I expect to have to pay for. Some I will (dual motor), some I might (pano, bigger battery, hitch), some I probably won't (performance model, full...

While interesting and apparently meaningful (since Tesla took it upon themselves to pull it from the source code), it probably tells us very little on delivery order. For instance, those in Asia and Europe probably have lower numbers than those in the US since their stores opened well before US...

537XXX Ordered 4/1 around noon EST

Put me in the camp that even $1000 is too much for supercharger access for how little I'd use it. When we make cross country trips, it'll almost assuredly be in the family mini-van, and not in the Model 3. There just isn't enough space to carry our stuff for anything longer than a day or two...

Indeed math does matter. I have no interest in buying a luxury car, and don't see the Model 3 as such. If Model 3 didn't exist, I'd probably be buying an Accord or Optima. But I love the Tesla mission and am willing to pay a little more than planned to help further it.

Absolutely. I pre-ordered without having any idea of a tax credit. I'll buy the car regardless.

Not sure how this really benefits the model 3, with the exception of being able to flex workforce from one line to another. My understanding is that the M3 will not be built on the existing lines for the S or X.

First post. Excited to join the forum. I voted "Maybe". Truth is, none of us have any idea what criteria Tesla will use as they ramp up. Will they do the higher margin cars? Possibly. Will they do simpler configurations due to problems with complex parts? Possibly. Will they move to a...