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I think the OP mixes up several disparate issues. The pay package is really something that has nothing to do with anything else. Elon and the company agreed he'd be paid a fortune if he accomplishes the impossible, and nothing otherwise. He did accomplish it - and got paid. Well deserved - but...

They have been quiet since 2020. I have 2019 and my friend has 2020 model 3 and the difference in ambient noise is unbelievable. Doesn't change the fact that the 2024 doesn't have parking sensors or blinkers on stalks and so on. Tesla can keep pretending they're selling hot stuff but people are...

The simple fact is blinkers not being on stalks will cost sales. That is 100%. Some people will be ok with it - or even love it (though I have trouble seeing how it's better). Some people will put up with it even though they hate it. And some people will simply NEVER buy that car - because of...

I have the exact same problem. My auto wipers used to work (maybe not great but did work) for years. Now when I set them to "auto" it's the same as "off". I had the car in a service center couple weeks ago - and ask them; they refused to even look, they said "it's a software issue, nothing we...

Well - it didn't work for me. As it turns out - the retrofit doesn't work for some 2019 models - and my car is one of those. This was a whole saga: ordered and paid in Oct in Nov (about 4 weeks later) went for scheduled install; after keeping the car for a day they told me missing part, have...

I'd actually buy a retrofit that connects a heated steering wheel to the same control as the drivers heated seat. Don't expect anyone would offer one though. As to all the "not really necessary" comments - I can't believe people - and also Tesla designers make decisions based on that. Very few...

:) That is hilarious. If I share honest impressions and negative points of EV ownership - that is "EV hate". Well we can't all be cheerleaders. I don't hate EVs - otherwise I wouldn't own one. In fact I slightly prefer them to ICE. Doesn't change any of the negative points. "I, too, prefer...

Not exactly true. My issue with service is just one part - I also don't find the current Teslas compelling. I don't want a car without parking sensors or buttons for blinkers. Yes that is a great propaganda point - the cost of owning of EV. I found from personal experience that the cost of...

Some of the posts here come from a point that EVs must displace ICE engines no matter what. You need to recognize that is NOT the perception of at least 50% of the US population. EVs must be genuinely better in order to attract customers and make the transition happen. And that is not exactly...

Yeah? Wait a bit more - you'll eventually find out. I had amazing experience with Tesla service for the first 3 or so years of ownership - mostly because the car didn't have problems so the only time I had to deal with service was replacing flat tire. Then the car ran out of the 4 year warranty...

Well - I can kind of understand where people that are set against EVs are coming from. Right now you basically have 2 options - Tesla or something else. Tesla has the best drivetrain and gets you more range/better car for less money then others in the US. But Tesla has jumped the shark and has...

I had my appt to install the power trunk retrofit yesterday. I dropped the car in the morning as per the appt and the app said to pick it up late afternoon as it's all finished. So I went to pick it up - and nothing was done. They told me because of missing part. About 2 hours of my time...

This has been consistently out of stock since the first couple days - I'd say likely they pulled it off.

The first few items on your list are due to "Tesla Vision" which is unmitigated disaster. The older cars (like mine) have ultrasonic parking sensors that work great; I wouldn't buy one now without those. Also the autopilot on highway was dramatically better in 2019-2020 before they disabled the...

Hopefully they didn't just cancel the product after the model year snafus. And maybe one day we'll see heated steering wheel retrofit too :-)

I'd buy this - my M3 is 2019 - but it's obviously out of stock. Wondering if that's why I don't see it in my Tesla app. I'd love to sign up for alert when it's back in stock - but don't see anywhere I can do that.

Tesla is the only brand actively making its cars worse over time - and somehow it's all related to "Tesla Vision" (blindness??). All the cheerleaders pretending the cars are the same without radar and without parking sensors can't make reality go away.

Gotta laugh at Tesla with ventilated seats and no parking sensors... Remove the essential/useful and put in the useless.

I have to say - I was Ok with Tesla service while I was under warranty. There were some repairs - but nothing egregious. My 4 year warranty expired on March 31 this year. The car is now exactly a month and a half out of warranty. First something broke under the car and started dragging on the...

This exact thing happened to me as well. The car lost pretty much all settings and configs - as if I got a brand new car. The most annoying was losing the garage door opener, but drive settings/locks were wiped out, radio stations and so on and so forth. And of course profiles - with things like...

I mean it was kind of obvious this was going to happen. Any company that has a camera or a mic in your private space - I have news for you - someone is watching or listening. People are so naive these days. So I saw the news and I was like - exactly zero surprise. And yes - I cover the inside...

I wouldn't buy another Tesla either. The driving performance of my Model 3 is absolutely fantastic - the acceleration, handling, stopping, the whole thing. Which is the only reason I keep the car. Pretty much everything else is endless annoyance. The comfort in the cabin is horrible and is...

Thank you - I appreciate you trying to help. Like I said - I've given up, I'm not trying anymore. As for "Go start on a less travelled road" - that's a good advice if I had time to waste for testing Tesla FSD. Instead - I tried wherever I happened to be driving at the time, several times. The...

Yes - I know all that. Except that it doesn't work. Works for autopilot on a highway. For some reason - not for FSD on regular street. Like 3 out of 4 or 5 out of 6 times I tried to turn it on it didn't work. Looking for some tiny steering wheel somewhere on the display to see if it's blue -...

Sure buddy. I love you too. If you're not going to contribute to the discussion - why post??

Not arguing - maybe I'm missing a lot. So where exactly is all this information I need to know?? It's not in any manual - not in the one that came with the car 4 years ago. I tried searching YouTube for Tesla FSD. All videos start after the FSD has been turned on. I really spent an hour looking...

Thanks for the tips. At this point I've given up on the FSD, it simply is not worth the aggravation. I will say this - the controls and user interface are too confusing. It works for autopilot on highway but not for FSD on a regular street. Keep trying to turn it on, did it double-click or...

I'm late to this thread, but just want to say - I did exactly the same as the OP, turned the FSD off. From the few times I used it I found it useless on city streets. I have to spend way more attention and nerves with that thing on than when it's off. Also, half the times I tried to turn it on...

Ah, I didn't know that. Then yes - I cannot speak for the new models.

Install is anything but straightforward. Unless you're auto-mechanic or have some really weird screw-driver specifically for this purpose. I did it once and don't want to ever go through this again. God help if you have a bad back or anything. Only appears simple on the video. When you actually...

Couldn't care less if it's transferable. If I buy another Tesla I'm most certainly NOT getting FSD on it. Found it to be completely useless outside of highways.

Thanks guys.

Ok - stup1d question, I know. But seems to be falling through the cracks. All YouTube FSD videos start after it's already on. All instructions and walkthroughs somehow omit this point. How exactly do you start FSD (on residential streets)?? Do you have to be driving already and double-click the...

I generally agree with the OP. I purchased my Tesla in 2019 - and at that time the autopilot on highway was great. The autopilot today is significantly worse, particularly since they disabled radar. It's more painful to drive on autopilot than with it off. Except when there is basically no...

Maybe. I never looked into the updates downloads before - when one showed up it just installed - whenever. Now I'm looking at it - and it doesn't make any sense. The car was downloading the update it was 68% then disappeared. Then it popped up again later and it was 50%. Now it's a day later -...

Thx guys. You may be right that the last 50% is prep after the download. I just took a short drive - the download had stopped and I assumed it's completed. But when I checked current version I was still on 2022.36.06. When I got home the car reconnected to the wifi. Sometime after it resumed...

So I did drive some miles on auto-pilot. Not quite 100 miles, more like 60. That may or may not have worked. Couple days ago the car started to download a software update - 2022.36.20 - so I'm hopeful that will include FSD. It seems stuck however. Last night it was 65% downloaded, and right now...

Thanks - we'll see if that's the case. If the requirement is 100 miles since last pushing the request button - unfortunately I just reset the counter today. Most of the time we don't drive on Autopilot either since the driving is local. But good to know. My car is 2019 Model 3 long range dual...

Same here. I did push the button on Thanksgiving day. It's now almost 10 days later and nothing. I know people with software 2022.40 cannot get it - but I am on 2022.36 so that is NOT the issue. I did sign-up for the trial before, and then cancelled before I got the FSD beta. I strongly...

You're speaking for "everybody" now? Quite the self-promotion there. Go tiger. It was kind of entertaining yanking your chain for a while - but even that is getting tiresome. As for productive discussion - that died about 15 posts up. You can have the last word - you seem very insistent on it.

Buddy - you need to get out of your parents basement more. Nothing you said changed what I said - Model S redesign is a turd. From a car buyer - not an Internet posting activist.

:) Well - your posting finally degenerated to full page personal attack - but at least we can agree on 1 thing.

For post-refresh model S you only provided data for Q2 2022 for the US. Single country. Then you pretend that's Ok because supposedly it's not being sold elsewhere (I don't know if it is or if it's not). One data point doesn't prove anything. 95% of your data was pre-refresh Model S sales - and...

The 2nd point was derived from the 1st. And I was specifically talking about redesigned Model S - something I pointed out repeatedly but you guys choose to ignore. I can teach you about figures of speech - how you point out something to imply something that obviously follows from it. But I guess...

You guys continue to complain about the fact that I "continue to repeat it" - but that is exactly what you are doing; at this point everything sounds like a broken radio. I'll admit - you're wearing me down so at some point I'll stop posting this discussion in circles. You continue to mix...

Funny - you're the guy that told me to stop posting because you consider my postings rude (not for anything directed at you - but for expressing my opinion). You must be new to the Internet - and public forums. Let me help you there. If you find a post rude - you don't need to read it...

Well - I don't know it for a fact. I have no internal Tesla information - so it's an educated guess. But can you believe they polled affluent car buyers and the response was "we only want yoke, we absolutely don't want steering wheel" ?? If you believe that - I have a bridge to sell you.

And how many post-refresh Model S did you buy - to show you strong support and positive opinion of it?? I actually considered buying one - that is until I saw what the post-refresh is, which put an end to that. So I am an actual buyer - that went away; unlike you - so you'll excuse me if I...

The only difference between pre/post refresh is that pre-refresh is a normal car, though dated by now. The post refresh is goofy boondoggle shaped as a car on the outside. But keep trying to equate both of them, That's not spin at all...

I guess my English is not very good. Or alternatively your reading comprehension isn't. Nobody is talking about Model S before the refresh. I know when you are ideological you always try to misrepresent things to support your argument. So let me put it in a different way. Tesla sold about...