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Autocross- SCCA EV-X Class vs. SS
- Thread starter RacerChris
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Yeah, it was too late at night yesterday not to mess up. Will post West tonight.
I was curious to see where I lost time on each course, so I made these 2 videos comparing my run and Gearcrunchers. I'm on the left, GC is on the right.
I think it's important for people to know 2 things about running in Lincoln.
1st,... we ran east course first, and west course on the 2nd day.
2nd.... there was sooo much grip. I've never ran on concrete, nor experienced that much grip before. I readily admit I wasn't able to adapt to it fast enough. It wasn't till my second day that I feel I was able to push the car to its limits.
East course.... I finished 1.4sec behind GC
West course.... I finished 0.5sec behind GC.
I think it's important for people to know 2 things about running in Lincoln.
1st,... we ran east course first, and west course on the 2nd day.
2nd.... there was sooo much grip. I've never ran on concrete, nor experienced that much grip before. I readily admit I wasn't able to adapt to it fast enough. It wasn't till my second day that I feel I was able to push the car to its limits.
East course.... I finished 1.4sec behind GC
West course.... I finished 0.5sec behind GC.
I usually run on concrete that can yield up to ~1.4g's in some turns. Here I saw 1.5-1.7 due to massive amounts of rubber laid in the prior 2-3 days.
I think one should be doing more tour events on concrete to be able to adapt/utilize the extra grip in just 3 runs.
superflyrolla
Member
Thanks for posting those. I appreciate it. You all are definitely closer to a few key cones than I got, unless it's just the aspect ratio messing up my perception. GC also noticeably tighter around some of those sweepers where I tried to "miata loop" them lol.
My local region started making their "Pro Class" count only your first 3 runs. The intent is good to get ready for a tour event, but I think it takes the fun out of afternoon runs.
My local region started making their "Pro Class" count only your first 3 runs. The intent is good to get ready for a tour event, but I think it takes the fun out of afternoon runs.
I think at least Crows tour and Lincoln tour will be in order if I end up doing Nats again next year. Crows is even gripper concrete from what I've been told.
I thought only counting first 3 runs is the norm for all regions. If not, that could theoretically have implications on PAX depending on what exactly Rick looks at.
superflyrolla
Member
We are usually 5-6 runs, but only the first 3 count as competition. Anything beyond that are just fun runs.Woahyeah usually 7-10 runs all events I’ve done in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois
We typically have between 75-100 people at our bigger Packwood events. We start at 9, get done at 1ish. Then on Sat. starting at 3, for an extra $20 we have a TnT available where you work 1hr and run 1hr. As many runs as you want during your hour.
There's organizations other than SCCA that autox with different rules. Porsche club, for example, all runs count as competition. I did 7 runs with them.
SK360
Member
Uh yeah counting only the first 3 runs is certainly not the norm around here at any club or region I've run with.
That's interesting. I may need to bring that up to the regions I run with. Cause that does ultimately mess with PAX some.
This is what our timing looks like since only the first 3 runs count. Otherwise as in my case I would have finished a place or two higher.
This is a ProPAX class only placing by PAX times.
One club I ran with a decade+ ago in another state, which routinely got 6 runs/day, used to score morning and afternoon runs separately for the pro index class and then average the times.
First rule of Autocross: Shortest path wins.
I've played with many lines over my life, and especially in the Tesla, I can never make extra speed make up for a shorter route. We have so much low speed acceleration and grip that loss of speed is recoverable.
SK360
Member
We aim for 6 timed runs per event. But we get 80-120 people per event and courses are in the 20-40 second range. All runs count. If we get done early we do paid fun runs ($1 per run) to help fund the club.
I get trying to be prepared for national events, but most drivers will never make that kind of commitment. The scca is great for many reasons, but local events should still try to maximize the element of fun and time on course. 3 runs that "count" at a local event seems too far for the majority of the locals. I have been to plenty of club events where the few top dogs focused on pax, nationals style courses and 3 runs create a barrier for new participants and enjoyment of the day. It could just be me, but I just want to drive my car hard, get as many runs as possible and have a good time with friends. Maybe if I had the money, time and a GT3 allocation I would have a different perspective. All that said, I did pay attention to the results at nationals and am super impressed with how well all of you did! Congratulations on showcasing this awesome platform with the best of the best!
If you want to run within half a second of a GT3 on a 60 second course, you already have that car 
SK360
Member
This. Our local SCCA region has become very focused on national events and building courses to practice elements they would see at national events etc. It seems like they have lost focus on running fun local events first
Had my first event in the Model 3. I had some help with the setup so it was really good right out of the box. Will need to adjust to some quirks of the car but like it a lot so far:
