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BBC Article - Tesla Whistleblower
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https://www.tesla.com/support/vehic...07aeqpcT4mx9_0snVIqb6ueg2vQdeyHrC1vvcpWx6OHho
Tesla are reminding us that the real issue (in their opinion) is potential driver misuse rather than the software itself:
......In certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, the prominence and scope of the feature’s controls may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse
At no cost to customers, affected vehicles will receive an over-the-air (OTA) software remedy (remedy sounds like Teslas version of a 'Special Operation') which is expected to begin deploying to certain affected vehicles on or shortly after December 12, 2023, with software version 2023.44.30. (very generous, no cost to customers for this!)
The remedy will incorporate additional controls and alerts to those already existing on affected vehicles to further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous supervisory responsibility whenever Autosteer is engaged. This recall affects only vehicles in U.S. and Canada.
Certainly in the USA (& Canada?), the time lapse between requirements to move the wheel is substantially greater than the UK/EU.
When Autosteer is engaged, as with all SAE Level 2 advanced driver-assistance features and systems, the driver is the operator of the vehicle. As the vehicle operator, the driver is responsible for the vehicle’s movement with their hands on the steering wheel at all times, remaining attentive to surrounding road conditions and intervening (e.g., steer, brake, accelerate or apply the stalk) as needed to maintain safe operation. (stalk?)
And for avoidance of doubt (are they looking at you @Pagemakers?)...
Is my vehicle safe to drive?
Yes. However, in certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, if a driver misuses the SAE Level 2 advanced driver-assistance feature such that they fail to maintain continuous and sustained responsibility for vehicle operation and are unprepared to intervene, fail to recognize when the feature is canceled or not engaged and/or fail to recognize when the feature is operating in situations where its functionality may be limited, there may be an increased risk of a collision.
If your vehicle is equipped with an in-cabin camera and Autopilot Hardware 3.0 or Autopilot Hardware 4.0 and is running software version 2023.44.30 or later, then your vehicle has been remedied and there is no further action that you need to take.
...so presumably when 'we' receive updates greater than 44.30 then we too will have the 'remedy' & the release notes this time will say "Minor Bugger (nee customer) fixes"
Tesla are reminding us that the real issue (in their opinion) is potential driver misuse rather than the software itself:
......In certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, the prominence and scope of the feature’s controls may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse
At no cost to customers, affected vehicles will receive an over-the-air (OTA) software remedy (remedy sounds like Teslas version of a 'Special Operation') which is expected to begin deploying to certain affected vehicles on or shortly after December 12, 2023, with software version 2023.44.30. (very generous, no cost to customers for this!)
The remedy will incorporate additional controls and alerts to those already existing on affected vehicles to further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous supervisory responsibility whenever Autosteer is engaged. This recall affects only vehicles in U.S. and Canada.
Certainly in the USA (& Canada?), the time lapse between requirements to move the wheel is substantially greater than the UK/EU.
When Autosteer is engaged, as with all SAE Level 2 advanced driver-assistance features and systems, the driver is the operator of the vehicle. As the vehicle operator, the driver is responsible for the vehicle’s movement with their hands on the steering wheel at all times, remaining attentive to surrounding road conditions and intervening (e.g., steer, brake, accelerate or apply the stalk) as needed to maintain safe operation. (stalk?)
And for avoidance of doubt (are they looking at you @Pagemakers?)...
Is my vehicle safe to drive?
Yes. However, in certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, if a driver misuses the SAE Level 2 advanced driver-assistance feature such that they fail to maintain continuous and sustained responsibility for vehicle operation and are unprepared to intervene, fail to recognize when the feature is canceled or not engaged and/or fail to recognize when the feature is operating in situations where its functionality may be limited, there may be an increased risk of a collision.
If your vehicle is equipped with an in-cabin camera and Autopilot Hardware 3.0 or Autopilot Hardware 4.0 and is running software version 2023.44.30 or later, then your vehicle has been remedied and there is no further action that you need to take.
...so presumably when 'we' receive updates greater than 44.30 then we too will have the 'remedy' & the release notes this time will say "Minor Bugger (nee customer) fixes"
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According to the report it was fixed in production cars on 7th December and will be rolled out before the 12th. So could be related or at least in the works.
What I recon is that EU / RoW customers will thankfully be unaffected by this. I think our nags intervals are already a nightmare. We don't want more of it.
As the UK/EU requirements for driver attention, and the capabilities of the car under Autopilot are significantly different I doubt this will significantly effect 'we' in the UK. Our approach to regulations is entirely different to the US, we have formal UNECE regulations that the car complies with, and various governmental bodies have ensured that it does already, so there would logically be no need for Tesla to change anything. If the regulations don't say you can do something then it's prohibited. Tesla can only be mandated to make changes if they are shown not to comply with exist regulations or if the regulations change and are backdated which seems unlikely.
The US system is largely that there are minimal regulations, you can do more or less anything unless it's specifically prohibited. The regulator looks at safety concerns retrospectively.
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