Cross climate 2 vs pilot sport 4 AS

[Alysashley79]

I need to put my all seasons on my car. And it’s time to get a new set. I have a 2014 P85D. In the past I’ve always gone with the pilot sports. I drive my car hard and fast. I’ve heard really good things about the cross climates but can anyone with a PERFORNCE model S give any insight to how well it handles? They’re more expensive then. The pilot sports but also have a higher tread warranty. That all being said is rather sacrifice that if the pilot sports have much better handling.

 

[DerbyDave]

Suggest you go to TireRack.com. You can compare the two tires directly, as I am also interested in these two tires for my 2020 S. It compares ratings for wet and dry braking, holding, snow , rain, etc. I tried to make a PDF, but it is not very readable.

 

[beatle]

CC2 for wet/snow/efficiency/ride
PSAS4 for dry performance

I rarely see people bashing the CC2, but they're mostly singing their praises for wet/snow traction. I read one negative review on a BMW that said they were more boring than the MXM4. That's a low blow as the MXM4 was a real snoozer. I think you'd be disappointed with the CC2 given your desire for good handling. Maybe this could be mitigated with 20" wheels, but if you're not planning on a wheel change as well, I'd stick with the AS4 or DWS06+.

 

[DerbyDave]

With the CCS2, you take a hit in the Tesla's Range. However, I would look very closely at the CCS2 if I lived in Washington and did not have dedicated snow tires. They are superior in wet and snow conditions, like Washington. The MXM4 may have slightly better dry and summer performance, but it cannot equal the CCS2 in wet and snow performance.

 

[cmaster]

Between the two, CCS2 lasts longer.

But, any new tires with pretty much barely any wear will always have good handling. Wait until you're at 50-75% tread wear, you'll notice the minute differences. Although, thinking about that, you will probably just replace the tires again at that point again.

 

[Alysashley79]

With the CCS2, you take a hit in the Tesla's Range. However, I would look very closely at the CCS2 if I lived in Washington and did not have dedicated snow tires. They are superior in wet and snow conditions, like Washington. The MXM4 may have slightly better dry and summer performance, but it cannot equal the CCS2 in wet and snow performance.

I have dedicated shows

 

[Alysashley79]

CC2 for wet/snow/efficiency/ride
PSAS4 for dry performance

I rarely see people bashing the CC2, but they're mostly singing their praises for wet/snow traction. I read one negative review on a BMW that said they were more boring than the MXM4. That's a low blow as the MXM4 was a real snoozer. I think you'd be disappointed with the CC2 given your desire for good handling. Maybe this could be mitigated with 20" wheels, but if you're not planning on a wheel change as well, I'd stick with the AS4 or DWS06+.

Thank you for this. Agree with you on the mxm4. They suck! I for sure have a lead foot and press hard into corners.

 

[DerbyDave]

If you have dedicated snows, go with the MXM4

 

[Alysashley79]

If you have dedicated snows, go with the MXM4

MXM4 is literally the very last tire I’d put on any of my vehicles. The tread wear is terrible the handling is terrible. I could go on and on. Even on my RWD 3 worst tires ever. You can’t take a corner going very fast they feel squishy.

 

[DerbyDave]

I don't know where I got the MXM4 from. I was thinking the choice was between the CC2 and that tire. I would go with the non-CC2, good Michelin tire of your choice.

 

[kazamm]

With the CCS2, you take a hit in the Tesla's Range. However, I would look very closely at the CCS2 if I lived in Washington and did not have dedicated snow tires. They are superior in wet and snow conditions, like Washington. The MXM4 may have slightly better dry and summer performance, but it cannot equal the CCS2 in wet and snow performance.

I wish CCS2 fit the '22 MSLR They're by far my favorite tires (had them in my 11 year lexus rx and they made a huge diff)

 

[Alysashley79]

I wish CCS2 fit the '22 MSLR They're by far my favorite tires (had them in my 11 year lexus rx and they made a huge diff)

Id tesla sending them home with the Michelin pilot sport 4AS like they were? Your LR and my car run the 0-60 at the same speed. The only difference would be that I have beefed up suspension to handle corners at much high speeds.

 

[kazamm]

Id tesla sending them home with the Michelin pilot sport 4AS like they were? Your LR and my car run the 0-60 at the same speed. The only difference would be that I have beefed up suspension to handle corners at much high speeds.

I'm not sure I follow what you mean

 

[JLC13]

With a 2013 MS85 and generally not being a very spirited driver, I can't speak to your performance and handling concerns but I've had CC2s on my car for well over a year now and have not noticed any discernible impact on range/efficiency.