Current Quality

[RJUK]

Haven’t read through all the comments but I can’t imagine a first generation electric Jaguar is a shining beacon of reliability!

No reported major faults at the moment, just stuff like frozen infotainment screens, which was fixed with an OTA update and not exclusive to Jag (similar issues reported with TM3).

In all honesty I expect the same reliability (as in breakdowns) from either car. Neither company has great reliability history, but also I doubt many actually fully break down. I imagine reliability issues these days are more to do with on board system bugs than anything.

Also, the I-Pace isn't made in the UK by the same people that make other Jags, it's made in Austria and all reports so far have said about how well screwed together it is - German levels of quality.

I've been driving German cars since 2012 and not had any major issues, so I'm not worried. Plus either car will be under warranty for the entirety of my lease, so it's not an issue. What is an issue, is how quickly the car could be fixed if there are problems.

Jag don't seem to have a lot of knowledge on the I-Pace, requiring a specially trained specialist to come and see the car if there's a major issue (unlikely one at my local dealer), however, I seriously question Tesla's ability to get my car sorted if there was a problem or accident, as I've heard it can take a long time to get spare parts from Tesla - which I expect would be exacerbated by me being in the UK and this being a brand new car in the UK. Also, with it being a brand new car I doubt the Tesla service reps here would have much experience of fixing Model 3's either. I'm not even sure if a RHD M3 has arrived in the UK yet, so if I had an issue it could be one of the first M3's the service guy had seen, bar some potential training they may have been sent on.

At least the I-Pace's are abundant in Jag dealerships here, so perhaps there's bit more knowledge going around.

I guess the lack of knowledge is part and parcel of being an EV early adopter though.

Out of interest for those who have had their cars longer; how often is a service required on a Tesla and what do they actually do? I saw a video mentioning brake fluid and system coolant changes, but can't imagine there would be much else to do?

 

[RJUK]

To each his own. I like my steak medium rare, you like well done. I like scotch, you're happier with a pint. Brother, whatever does it for you the most is the path of least resistance. Good luck with your choice!

Thanks. I know that ultimately it's up to me to make the choice, but it's such a hard decision as I really like both cars. Hence trying to get opinions from either side. Neither side is saying "this car is awful, get the other one", but that's probably a good thing and means there is no bad choice.

I really want the crazy speed of the Tesla and love the big, responsive screen, but I'm just worried that I'll miss the plentiful features of the Jag.

That Jag is slower (both in acceleration and infotainment speed) but the better all-round car, and still would be the fastest car I've owned.

I'll get there eventually.

 

[Wennfred]

One main thing you need to look at about the Ipace, charging capability? Is it CCS and are there a whole lot of that type of charging system covering the Uk? Tesla Superchargers are everywhere. My buddy picked up a Kona EV, it uses CCS but very limited on where to charge as those are used by other brands.

Fred

 

[RJUK]

One main thing you need to look at about the Ipace, charging capability? Is it CCS and are there a whole lot of that type of charging system covering the Uk? Tesla Superchargers are everywhere. My buddy picked up a Kona EV, it uses CCS but very limited on where to charge as those are used by other brands.

Fred

Yes, in the UK there are far more CCS chargers than Tesla chargers. Every motorway (highway) service station has CCS chargers. So that part isn't an issue, though 90%+ of my charging will be done at home anyway.

Either way, the Tesla has more chargers available to it, as it can use the CCS and Tesla chargers and from what I understand the Tesla chargers are more reliable than the various brands of CCS chargers dotted about, which are often out of order or take several calls to the operator to get them working.

As I said though, that's not enough to sway me either way, as most of my charging will be done at home, but it is one "plus" that I have attributed to the Tesla, along with its slightly longer range.

 

[sixela]

The trouble in the UK is that most chargers are pretty anemic (compared to SuperChargers but also fast chargers from FastNed and Ionity that we see over here). That couples badly with the fairly poor efficiency of an I-Pace on motorways (especially compared to a Model 3), and that's a bit of a worrisome combination if you travel far. Of course for general commuting it doesn't matter.

Of course I hope that's temporary.

 

[Wennfred]

Yes, in the UK there are far more CCS chargers than Tesla chargers. Every motorway (highway) service station has CCS chargers. So that part isn't an issue, though 90%+ of my charging will be done at home anyway.

Either way, the Tesla has more chargers available to it, as it can use the CCS and Tesla chargers and from what I understand the Tesla chargers are more reliable than the various brands of CCS chargers dotted about, which are often out of order or take several calls to the operator to get them working.

As I said though, that's not enough to sway me either way, as most of my charging will be done at home, but it is one "plus" that I have attributed to the Tesla, along with its slightly longer range.

Great info, thanks

 

[Big-T]

To to a Tesla forum and you should expect most people to recommend the Tesla - go to a Jag forum and most people there will reccomend the Jag.

I'm happy you're looking at an EV of any kind vs as gas car. Test drive both and then choose what you like. As you mentioned, it's a lease so it's not like you're marrying this thing.

 

[Glamisduner]

Thanks. I know that ultimately it's up to me to make the choice, but it's such a hard decision as I really like both cars. Hence trying to get opinions from either side. Neither side is saying "this car is awful, get the other one", but that's probably a good thing and means there is no bad choice.

I really want the crazy speed of the Tesla and love the big, responsive screen, but I'm just worried that I'll miss the plentiful features of the Jag.

That Jag is slower (both in acceleration and infotainment speed) but the better all-round car, and still would be the fastest car I've owned.

I'll get there eventually.

Not sure The jag is a better all around car at all. Less efficiency is a huge one, and battery tech, performance. Not as many charging stations, less range. But it probably has better wiper controls, and temperature controls. I read you can not even use climate control while charging on the ipace. You don't get sentry mode, dog mode, ota updates, or autopilot.

Also, ipace I's closer in size and class to the model s than the 3.

 

[sixela]

Having sat in Model S, i-Pace and Model 3, the subjective impression is that it's not much larger inside than a Model 3, but you're sitting A LOT higher above the ground (and getting in is much easier for the back passengers despite the leg room that's not too different). It feels a bit more claustrophobic (small windows).

A Model X feels positively cavernous by comparison.

You can stack things a lot higher in the trunk in the i-Pace than in the model 3, but the trunk didn't seem that much larger by floor surface.

So I guess the i-Pace should turn out to be really similar to a model Y.

Very nice interior (I'd rather drive in that than in an E-tron, which is quintessentially German) and quite English, unless you've got used to the model 3 interior's weird spartan-but-clean looks. The centre screen in a Model 3 really spoils it for you: _all_ the other centre consoles look like they're from the bronze age (even the other Tesla ones, frankly).

 

[Gpa9504]

I have to comment on this. I've had two Tesla vehicles- a Model X and my current M3P. I was strongly considering the Jag I Pace. Here's why- I sold the Model X (which was a really good car but very expensive) because Tesla service ABSOLUTELY SUCKS in my area. Plus- I really wanted the 3P, just got too impatient.

You need to seriously consider the service aspect to your purchase. How many Jaguar dealers are located near you? How many Tesla service centers? How busy are those Tesla SC gonna be after Tesla sells more and more cars?

I bought the Model 3 as a THIRD car, something to have fun with (and it is SERIOUSLY a fun car). But I am already in service center hell. A rock flew up and hit my windshield two weeks ago, sent a crack across half of the windscreen. Soonest appointment I could get was June 10. Can not call them, can't get in touch with ANYONE. Don't know if they have a windshield in stock. And the SC is 3 hours away. So this is a serious issue that you should deeply consider. Yes- the Tesla is a far better EV. But at this point, the Jaguar may be the most long-term practical choice. Unless you won't have to rely on it for your only vehicle. In which case take the Tesla!!!!

 

[Scott7]

Jaguar has OTA too, they said. Turns out not really! Head to the dealer to update, just like the bad old days.

 

[Lhshockey24]

Jaguar has OTA too, they said. Turns out not really! Head to the dealer to update, just like the bad old days.

Wait a minute, if I read that article correctly there was a software issue where the regen wouldn’t work and there would then be a DELAY in brake pedal press and actual braking. Holy cow, that’s terrifying! If that happened to Tesla it would be front page CNBC, Business Insider, Yahoo finance, CNN, etc...

 

[jgmartin]

I picked up a new 3sr+ recently (almost a month now) and build quality overall, just in terms of how precisely things were fit, was much better than my srt grand Cherokee and probably a little worse than either of my recent fords (raptor and focus rs). Had one minor issue with the door seal that was fixed by a mobile ranger and it seems to have shipped with almost no windshield washer fluid. Aside from that, all good 2400 miles in. The paint isn’t falling off .

 

[RJUK]

Not sure The jag is a better all around car at all. Less efficiency is a huge one, and battery tech, performance. Not as many charging stations, less range. But it probably has better wiper controls, and temperature controls. I read you can not even use climate control while charging on the ipace. You don't get sentry mode, dog mode, ota updates, or autopilot.

Also, ipace I's closer in size and class to the model s than the 3.

Sure, but I don't have a dog (nor would I ever allow one in my car)... So dog mode isn't a feature I'm even slightly interested in. You DO get OTA updates, but again, if it's just adding "fart mode" and some old games I'll never play, then who cares?
Also, you do get autopilot on the Jag, similar to basic autopilot on the Tesla, except that the Jag's system includes self parking. With the Tesla you have to upgrade (at great expense) to FSD to get self parking. For me, it's not worth the best part of £5000 for those features, so I wouldn't spec that anyway. I enjoy driving, so have no intention of buying the performance model of a car and then having it drive itself... What would be the point? As such, basic lane keeping is fine for me, to take the boredom out of highway driving. Both cars have that as standard, but the Jag's also includes self parking. Mostly likely I won't use that either though as I prefer to park myself.

Sentry mode would be welcome, as long as it's easy to use and doesn't need setting every time I park the car and doesn't drain the battery, and I like the dashcam feature also.

For me, cooled seats, matrix headlights, Android Auto, tinted glass, and adaptive air suspension beat options like dog mode and FSD. I guess if you're not into driving then FSD would be of interest, but then if you're not into driving why buy such an expensive car?

I have to comment on this. I've had two Tesla vehicles- a Model X and my current M3P. I was strongly considering the Jag I Pace. Here's why- I sold the Model X (which was a really good car but very expensive) because Tesla service ABSOLUTELY SUCKS in my area. Plus- I really wanted the 3P, just got too impatient.

You need to seriously consider the service aspect to your purchase. How many Jaguar dealers are located near you? How many Tesla service centers? How busy are those Tesla SC gonna be after Tesla sells more and more cars?

I bought the Model 3 as a THIRD car, something to have fun with (and it is SERIOUSLY a fun car). But I am already in service center hell. A rock flew up and hit my windshield two weeks ago, sent a crack across half of the windscreen. Soonest appointment I could get was June 10. Can not call them, can't get in touch with ANYONE. Don't know if they have a windshield in stock. And the SC is 3 hours away. So this is a serious issue that you should deeply consider. Yes- the Tesla is a far better EV. But at this point, the Jaguar may be the most long-term practical choice. Unless you won't have to rely on it for your only vehicle. In which case take the Tesla!!!!

There is a Tesla service centre and a Jag dealership both less than an hour from me. Neither is too difficult to get to. The I-Pace is all new to the Jag mechanics, so you have to get a specially trained one in to have a look, however I have no worries about Jag being able to supply parts for the car, nor a plush courtesy car for me to use whilst mine is with them. The Tesla mechanics should be more knowledgeable about EVs, but I worry that any parts required could take an age to get, especially if somebody hit my car or something. Also, if the car does have issues from delivery then would they have enough courtesy cars for all the other Model 3's that might also be there for similar issues?

Jaguar has OTA too, they said. Turns out not really! Head to the dealer to update, just like the bad old days.

They do have OTA and have added things, but certain things still require a dealer visit. I don't expect them to add things in the same way as Tesla do, but that's fine. The car has a lot of functionality from the get-go.
I'm surprised there's not a Tesla "app store" yet, TBH. Put Android Auto on that, Apple Carplay, Waze, Amazon Music, etc and the big screen would be a more enticing prospect.

Wait a minute, if I read that article correctly there was a software issue where the regen wouldn’t work and there would then be a DELAY in brake pedal press and actual braking. Holy cow, that’s terrifying! If that happened to Tesla it would be front page CNBC, Business Insider, Yahoo finance, CNN, etc...

Not exactly. There haven't been any failures of the regen yet. If there had been then it might be more of an issue. Also, Jag aren't constantly the limelight as Tesla are. If you're going to have that prominent a media presence then you need to take the good with the bad.

I picked up a new 3sr+ recently (almost a month now) and build quality overall, just in terms of how precisely things were fit, was much better than my srt grand Cherokee and probably a little worse than either of my recent fords (raptor and focus rs). Had one minor issue with the door seal that was fixed by a mobile ranger and it seems to have shipped with almost no windshield washer fluid. Aside from that, all good 2400 miles in. The paint isn’t falling off .

Good to know, thanks. Having had a run of German cars over the last 7 years I'm used to everything having a good fit and finish. Hopefully it won't be too much of a shock if it ever gets to the point when I can even order a Tesla.

At the moment because they keep changing pricing and options every 2 minutes all the lease companies have pulled the TM3 so they can figure out the correct pricing. Why Tesla can't just set the pricing and leave it, I'll never know.

 

[Joshan]

So just buy the jag like you always planned and let this stupid thread die...

The thread title alone shows your true intention. If you honestly wanted what you claim your title would have been more like:

"Should I buy a Tesla or Jag EV"

"Thoughts on Jag vs. tesla EV"

 

[Glamisduner]

So just buy the jag like you always planned and let this stupid thread die...

The thread title alone shows your true intention. If you honestly wanted what you claim your title would have been more like:

"Should I buy a Tesla or Jag EV"

"Thoughts on Jag vs. tesla EV"

Yea, if you enjoy charging in the sun without climate control, then by all means buy the jag. I both enjoy driving and FSD for what it's worth. Auto lane keep without lane change would be annoying as hell. I enjoy the drive on the way to work most of the time, and cruise in AP on the way home, or when I'm stuck in traffic. AP is awesome, just because the car handles so much better than the jag doesn't mean it's not worth having AP too. OTA updates are more than just games and fart mode. Model 3's software will continue to improve after purchase, with the Jag it just becomes obsolete unless you buy the next model year, or maybe taking it to the dealer for an update if your lucky.

Since buying the car I have received via OTA: Navigate on Auto Pilot, Sentry Mode (no you don't have to toggle it every time anymore), Dash Cam, location based sentry mode, location based auto mirrors, windshield wiper improvements, Performance increase (0-60 down from 3.5 to 3.2), Top speed increase, Track Mode, Dog Mode, Keep Climate On, Games. Those are all new features within the last 6 months, in addition to constantly updated maps, AP updates, summon updates and more. BTW, not all lane keep assists are created equal, it may tick the box but it might not take turns will at 80+ MPH etc (haven't tested the jags, but I have yet to find anything close to auto pilot).

I was really liking android auto, but the only thing I would use it for now is spotify and my audio book player which are ok over bluetooth I guess. My wife always forgets to plug in her phone in her volvo then has to put the car in park to attach her phone to use her android auto, which adds traffic and maps, but it's on a tiny little screen and the UI could use allot of improvement.

 

[Lhshockey24]

So just buy the jag like you always planned and let this stupid thread die...

The thread title alone shows your true intention. If you honestly wanted what you claim your title would have been more like:

"Should I buy a Tesla or Jag EV"

"Thoughts on Jag vs. tesla EV"

....2 months later "Selling my Jag for a Model 3P!!"

 

[RJUK]

So just buy the jag like you always planned and let this stupid thread die...

The thread title alone shows your true intention. If you honestly wanted what you claim your title would have been more like:

"Should I buy a Tesla or Jag EV"

"Thoughts on Jag vs. tesla EV"

Not really, my main concern with the possibility of buying a Tesla was the low build quality, so it's only natural that that's what I ask about. Lots of proving the point about Tesla fanboys on here though. On the Jag forums they just accept that I'm genuinely considering both cars and put forward what they believe are the positives of the Jag. On here there's the same, but a few members that put on their conspiracy theory hats and decide there's no way I could possibly be buying a car, it's all just a big ruse to slag off Tesla. Seriously, get over yourselves. It's a car, I'm comparing it to another car.

Yea, if you enjoy charging in the sun without climate control, then by all means buy the jag. I both enjoy driving and FSD for what it's worth. Auto lane keep without lane change would be annoying as hell. I enjoy the drive on the way to work most of the time, and cruise in AP on the way home, or when I'm stuck in traffic. AP is awesome, just because the car handles so much better than the jag doesn't mean it's not worth having AP too. OTA updates are more than just games and fart mode. Model 3's software will continue to improve after purchase, with the Jag it just becomes obsolete unless you buy the next model year, or maybe taking it to the dealer for an update if your lucky.

Since buying the car I have received via OTA: Navigate on Auto Pilot, Sentry Mode (no you don't have to toggle it every time anymore), Dash Cam, location based sentry mode, location based auto mirrors, windshield wiper improvements, Performance increase (0-60 down from 3.5 to 3.2), Top speed increase, Track Mode, Dog Mode, Keep Climate On, Games. Those are all new features within the last 6 months, in addition to constantly updated maps, AP updates, summon updates and more. BTW, not all lane keep assists are created equal, it may tick the box but it might not take turns will at 80+ MPH etc (haven't tested the jags, but I have yet to find anything close to auto pilot).

I was really liking android auto, but the only thing I would use it for now is spotify and my audio book player which are ok over bluetooth I guess. My wife always forgets to plug in her phone in her volvo then has to put the car in park to attach her phone to use her android auto, which adds traffic and maps, but it's on a tiny little screen and the UI could use allot of improvement.

Fair enough that's what you like, but other than the increased acceleration (which isn't likely to happen again) and the sentry/dashcam stuff, the rest isn't of any interest to me. Likewise FSD. As for the Tesla handling much better, I'm not sure that's true. The Jag is said to have very good handling and actually has the option of adaptive air suspension, unlike the Model 3. It's also not much higher, despite being an "SUV". The air suspension also adds the capability to change how the car rides depending on what I'm doing with it and isn't something that can be added with a software update.

....2 months later "Selling my Jag for a Model 3P!!"

Nah, I'm leasing, so either car will be a 3 year commitment. The Jag has won international car of the year and various other rewards, so I doubt it's going to disappoint. I doubt either car would. Both are a step up from a BMW 320d.

 

[Glamisduner]

Not really, my main concern with the possibility of buying a Tesla was the low build quality, so it's only natural that that's what I ask about. Lots of proving the point about Tesla fanboys on here though. On the Jag forums they just accept that I'm genuinely considering both cars and put forward what they believe are the positives of the Jag. On here there's the same, but a few members that put on their conspiracy theory hats and decide there's no way I could possibly be buying a car, it's all just a big ruse to slag off Tesla. Seriously, get over yourselves. It's a car, I'm comparing it to another car.



Fair enough that's what you like, but other than the increased acceleration (which isn't likely to happen again) and the sentry/dashcam stuff, the rest isn't of any interest to me. Likewise FSD. As for the Tesla handling much better, I'm not sure that's true. The Jag is said to have very good handling and actually has the option of adaptive air suspension, unlike the Model 3. It's also not much higher, despite being an "SUV". The air suspension also adds the capability to change how the car rides depending on what I'm doing with it and isn't something that can be added with a software update..

Please send me a video of the Jag on a track, competing with bmw M3, and porches. I don't think that exists. Like I said before the, it's more comparable to the model S than the model 3. The S does have air suspension, will likely handle closer to the Jag.

If be more concerned about battery and motors and charging speed and charging locations than panel gaps and paint chips.

 

[RJUK]

Please send me a video of the Jag on a track, competing with bmw M3, and porches. I don't think that exists. Like I said before the, it's more comparable to the model S than the model 3. The S does have air suspension, will likely handle closer to the Jag.

If be more concerned about battery and motors and charging speed and charging locations than panel gaps and paint chips.

I believe both cars were tested together by one publication on track alongside the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrofoglio. The Alfa was fastest, then the Tesla, then the Jag. Obviously the Tesla would be quicker, it's lighter and more powerful, but the big heavy Jag was still faster around the track than a Golf R or Subaru Impreza Sti, impressively. All reviews have praised the Jag for its great handling. Not that track handling is relevant anyway, it's a company lease and won't be allowed on a track. More important is how it handles on the UK's bumpy roads - something that Jag are pretty well geared up for.

Also, I don't know where this notion about the battery and motors being inferior have come from? The Jag's powertrain has recently won various awards and none of them have spontaneously caught fire yet, so if anything they're more reliable than Tesla drivetrains, based on that.

That being said, my Tesla spontaneously combusting isn't a concern that I have, it's a rare occurrence - I only mention it to make the point that the Tesla powertrain isn't leagues ahead like some appear to think.

I will concede, however that the Tesla has more power in Performance guise and is more efficient because of the freewheeling ability of the front motor. The Jag's arrangement is more "permanent 4wd", and combined with its additional weight and SUV proportions is less efficient overall than the Tesla. That said, the Model Y is also less efficient than the Model 3, and is closer to the proportions of the Jag, which kinda proves the point that it's more than just the drivetrain.

Both cars have their strengths and weaknesses, I just don't think Tesla's drivetrains are as superior as some think they are.

It's all a bit irrelevant now anyway - since I originally posted the Tesla leases got pulled, and now they're available again they're substantially more expensive for the same thing. It would now be around £30 per month more for a Model 3 Performance with the Performance pack, in black, with no FSD than the highly specc'ed Jag that I have on order. And that's despite the list price of the Tesla being about £20,000 lower. Evidently the lease companies are expecting the Teslas to lose more value over 3 years than the Jag.