Union Pacific Is Holding Hostage 20 Tesla Model 3s from Owners Awaiting Delivery: Report Union Pacific Is Holding Hostage 20 Tesla Model 3s from Owners Awaiting Delivery: Report
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Do auto mags print fake news?? How Drive got onto this story, did they really pursue trying to get information - seems unlikely to me.Union Pacific Is Holding Hostage 20 Tesla Model 3s from Owners Awaiting Delivery: Report Union Pacific Is Holding Hostage 20 Tesla Model 3s from Owners Awaiting Delivery: Report
... as well as the general probability of the company being around this time next year.
Good afternoon,
I am NSC011099. I'm going to start off quickly by saying that I am NOT an owner (or fan, for that matter) of Tesla (or any other Elon Musk venture). However, I felt compelled to create this account to clear up some of the smoke surrounding the Tesla/Union Pacific issues.
CUT for nonsense and brevity
Good afternoon,
I am a supply chain student at a top 10 supply chain school (I'm not going to name which), and I've talked with my professors about this.
-NSC011099
Do auto mags print fake news?? How Drive got onto this story, did they really pursue trying to get information - seems unlikely to me.
Why would R&R hold up over $ 2 million dollars of product from a regular customer (Tesla) ?? I call FUD - fake news.
UP literally helped build this country, as I'm sure you all will remember from your education about the 1800s and the Transcontinental Railroad. UP has done a lot of good things for us, and it seems only fair that they be given a fair shake too.
As I'm sure you've all heard, Tesla is the subject of heavy debate right now in regards to Elon Musk and his antics as well as the general probability of the company being around this time next year. Recently, it has come to light that Tesla seemed to be leaving many suppliers "high and dry", as it were, when it comes to getting paid, and even asking for refunds for parts.
Good afternoon,
I am NSC011099. I'm going to start off quickly by saying that I am NOT an owner (or fan, for that matter) of Tesla (or any other Elon Musk venture). However, I felt compelled to create this account to clear up some of the smoke surrounding the Tesla/Union Pacific issues....
One thing we might actually know, is that Utah really isn't welcoming Tesla to sell cars in Utah. Been an uphill battle all the way, right?OP, you or your professors have never heard of a company seeking to renegotiate a bill when something hasn't happened as per the contract? I have no idea what the situation is here, we haven't been given any details really so I certainly wouldn't go throwing your suppositions out based on your admitted one-sided support on this issue. Did it occur to you that maybe a delivery of cars was agreed to be delivered by a certain date and weren't? Maybe another delivery had cars that were damaged while on the railcars and Tesla was seeking reasonable compensation for it. We don't know.
Whatever the business matter is between Union Pacific and Tesla right now, I don't see what commenting on Musk's "antics" has anything to do with Tesla, the business. Short sellers are the ones talking up the company failing...and on occasion other ICE car manufacturers too, both of them with much to gain from such an event. So consider the source. As far as 3rd party suppliers of parts goes, if something wasn't manufactured per spec, I'm sure there would be an expected and likely negotiated cost adjustment or return and refund of bad parts. It's called doing business and it happens with companies all over when something isn't as agreed. I've seen those comments in the press about suppliers but never any follow up on specifics. So easy to make statements like this without anything concrete behind it and have some people buy into the unqualified statements as truth. Do you have any specific knowledge of these claims or are you just repeating stuff like that because you "read it somewhere"? If you are studying supply chains, I hope you get some practical knowledge on business negotiations when issues arise, along with verifying statements you hear made. Sometimes there's smoke as you refer to it, but not always fire; sometimes it's just a smoke screen for another purpose.
You seem biased to me by your comments. Also not sure what the history of a company has to do with circumstances today. Weren't the railroads run by "robber barons" if I'm recalling my history of the gilded age you favor bringing up as a reason to support Union Pacific in this instance?
I'm calling so much BS on this post. Good lord.Good afternoon,
I am NSC011099. I'm going to start off quickly by saying that I am NOT an owner (or fan, for that matter) of Tesla (or any other Elon Musk venture). However, I felt compelled to create this account to clear up some of the smoke surrounding the Tesla/Union Pacific issues.
Although I am not a fan of Tesla, I am a supporter of our nation's railroads, especially Union Pacific. UP literally helped build this country, as I'm sure you all will remember from your education about the 1800s and the Transcontinental Railroad. UP has done a lot of good things for us, and it seems only fair that they be given a fair shake too.
As I'm sure you've all heard, Tesla is the subject of heavy debate right now in regards to Elon Musk and his antics as well as the general probability of the company being around this time next year. Recently, it has come to light that Tesla seemed to be leaving many suppliers "high and dry", as it were, when it comes to getting paid, and even asking for refunds for parts.
Now, Tesla tried to pass this off as a "normal business operation" or something to that extent. I can say that is definitely not the case. I am a supply chain student at a top 10 supply chain school (I'm not going to name which), and I've talked with my professors about this. All of them agree on one thing: that in all of their professional lives, they have never once heard of a company asking their suppliers for refunds like Tesla did. They took this as a sign that Tesla was developing a serious cash problem. It seems that Union Pacific was not spared in this. Railroads do not like dwell time. They want cars on their network moving as much as possible so they're earning revenue for the company. Although these Model 3s are not in a railcar, they are on the lot, and won't be released. Another chat with one of my SCM professors revealed that UP is probably holding onto the cars as collateral until Tesla pays them, as a paperwork snafu would have been resolved by now.
If your car is one of those that is stuck in the lot, contact Tesla. Union Pacific is not going to release the cars because one of them "belongs to you". In reality, it doesn't, unless you already have the title in hand, which from what I understand of the Tesla delivery process, doesn't happen until you get to the SC. If you do not have the title in your hand, then the car is still legally the property of Tesla and will be treated as such. At the same time, I've seen more than a few posts on Twitter that talk about getting 20 people together and "rescuing" the cars from the lot. Although this is likely a joke, I will say that railroad police take their jobs seriously, have arresting power, and are armed. It's not a good idea.
If you have any questions, please ask them. I'm not a "know-all" expert, but I have enough knowledge about the rail industry that I'll do my best to help in that regard.
Thanks,
-NSC011099
How exactly did you plan on clearing things up when you're using conjecture, supposition, and out-right guesses?I felt compelled to create this account to clear up some of the smoke surrounding the Tesla/Union Pacific issues.
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It seems that
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...UP is probably...
Based on your post, that's probably a good call.I am a supply chain student at a top 10 supply chain school (I'm not going to name which)...
Yes, we got that part.I'm not a "know-all" expert...
Even better, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.I'm not a supply chain expert, but I play one on TV.
Good afternoon,
I am NSC011099.
and I've talked with my professors about this. All of them agree on one thing: that in all of their professional lives, they have never once heard of a company asking their suppliers for refunds like Tesla did. They took this as a sign that Tesla was developing a serious cash problem.