Former engineer claims 2016 self-driving demo staged | TMC Podcast #33

Topics:
0:00 Stream begins
0:15 Intro
1:44 Was Tesla's 2016 self-driving demo video misleading?
27:33 GM budgeting ~$800M on a new V8 engine, but only ~$60M EVs
36:05 Doug's car gets hit and run
53:46 Tesla steps up its behind the scenes videos
54:25 Thread of the week: "FYI: My opinion is Model 3 better than Model S"

Doug's hit and run recording: https://youtu.be/_6wzYqU6-zY

Link to thread of the week: FYI: My opinion is Model 3 > Model S

@TeslaMotors Videos that we mentioned -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xChD...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGgr...

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[galimpic]

Are smiles and happy family activities of people with medical problems in medicine commercials staged? Yes? OK, case closed.

 

[Dewg]

Are smiles and happy family activities of people with medical problems in medicine commercials staged? Yes? OK, case closed.

If you're depressed and you take an antidepressant that you saw in a commercial where everyone in the commercial was smiling and happy and laughing, can you sue if you don't feel happy, claiming the commercial was misleading or fraudulent?

 

[Daniel in SD]

Drug companies get punished all the time for fraudulent marketing. I don't think that's the best example to use. haha.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/business/glaxosmithkline-agrees-to-pay-3-billion-in-fraud-settlement.html

 

[galimpic]

If you're depressed and you take an antidepressant that you saw in a commercial where everyone in the commercial was smiling and happy and laughing, can you sue if you don't feel happy, claiming the commercial was misleading or fraudulent?

You can, but you will (or should) lose - that's my whole point.. They will say that it's just a staged situation and you shouldn't take it literally in the sense that it will be exactly the same for you, it's just an illustration of the message they are putting across. Same here - we see the car is self driving and it explains how the driver is not doing anything. It doesn't say much else, it's an illustration for you to see the car's eventual abilities. Of course it can be staged, animated, edited - it is not a documentary, it's a commercial.

 

[galimpic]

Drug companies get punished all the time for fraudulent marketing. I don't think that's the best example to use. haha.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/business/glaxosmithkline-agrees-to-pay-3-billion-in-fraud-settlement.html

OK, let's find a different example: an actress is drinking juice in a commercial and apparently likes it. But she may just be drinking some colored water. It doesn't really matter - they say you will like the product when you buy it, not that the product they are using for filming is real. In Tesla's video, they say that the driver is not doing anything, and it is true. The fact that the path may be hardcoded is irrelevant - it's just an illustration. That's the point.

 

[Daniel in SD]

OK, let's find a different example: an actress is drinking juice in a commercial and apparently likes it. But she may just be drinking some colored water. It doesn't really matter - they say you will like the product when you buy it, not that the product they are using for filming is real. In Tesla's video, they say that the driver is not doing anything, and it is true. The fact that the path may be hardcoded is irrelevant - it's just an illustration. That's the point.

Haha. You’re leaving out the first sentence.

 

[galimpic]

Haha. You’re leaving out the first sentence.

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I am not - I specifically paraphrased it in my reply ("they say that the driver is not doing anything"). What exactly is incorrect in that sentence? Do you think he secretly drove the car? That he is needed to be in it? No. The car drives itself. It is just not driving itself in a random situation, but on carefully prepared route where they made sure it would work. Nobody said or wrote otherwise in that video, especially not in that sentence.

 

[Daniel in SD]

I am not - I specifically paraphrased it in my reply ("they say that the driver is not doing anything"). What exactly is incorrect in that sentence? Do you think he secretly drove the car? That he is needed to be in it? No. The car drives itself. It is just not driving itself in a random situation, but on carefully prepared route where they made sure it would work. Nobody said or wrote otherwise in that video, especially not in that sentence.

The driver was not there only for legal reasons. It did not work on the carefully prepared route.

 

[paaltio]

If you're depressed and you take an antidepressant that you saw in a commercial where everyone in the commercial was smiling and happy and laughing, can you sue if you don't feel happy, claiming the commercial was misleading or fraudulent?

If they're taking sugar pills in the ad, and you include a text saying "these are actually SSRIs, but the label is there only for legal reasons", and then you use that ad to sell sugar pills, obviously you should be sued.

 

[teacher]

Topics:
0:00 Stream begins
0:15 Intro
1:44 Was Tesla's 2016 self-driving demo video misleading?
27:33 GM budgeting ~$800M on a new V8 engine, but only ~$60M EVs
36:05 Doug's car gets hit and run
53:46 Tesla steps up its behind the scenes videos
54:25 Thread of the week: "FYI: My opinion is Model 3 better than Model S"

Doug's hit and run recording: https://youtu.be/_6wzYqU6-zY

Link to thread of the week: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threa...

@TeslaMotors Videos that we mentioned -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xChD...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGgr...

Co-hosts-
Louis: nebusoft
Mike: SteelClouds
Doug: doug

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James: scrapps
Daniel: danny

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Where did that video come from? That's not the 2016 demonstration video it looks fake, here is the "real" one- Tesla Self-Driving Demonstration | Tesla

 

[Daniel in SD]

Where did that video come from? That's not the 2016 demonstration video it looks fake, here is the "real" one- Tesla Self-Driving Demonstration | Tesla

They’re both fake.

 

[teacher]

They’re both fake.

Fake as in? the one I posted was not edited one bit, that being said don't know how many takes it took to pull it off.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Fake as in? the one I posted was not edited one bit, that being said don't know how many takes it took to pull it off.

Fake as in the driver was not only there for legal reasons. There’s also a claim that the data for visualizations was not produced by the car but generated later.

 

[teacher]

Fake as in the driver was not only there for legal reasons. There’s also a claim that the data for visualizations was not produced by the car but generated later.

But where did that video they showed on the podcast come from? Never saw that before. That looks fake as in computer animated

 

[Daniel in SD]

But where did that video they showed on the podcast come from? Never saw that before. That looks fake as in computer animated

Isn’t it the one I posted? It’s from Tesla’s Vimeo page.

 

[teacher]

Isn’t it the one I posted? It’s from Tesla’s Vimeo page.

So they made two different videos demonstrating FSD back in 2016? I would think that would make them look worse as far as falsely advertising. FSD and give plaintiffs twice as much evidence. They really haven't progressed in 6 years though they regressed if anything. Especially the autopark it doesn't even do anything now nevermind drive around looking for a parking space on its own.