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Fsd Beta without FSD.
- Thread starter Eggy111
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Sorry yes it is 12.3.20 and I can't switch it on. I don't have any of the FSD setting available.
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Tesla disables the Beta when it is sold. You must apply for and earn the Safety Score and then be accepted into the Beta program. Your next update will probably move you off the Beta trunk.
This is why Tam asked how did you get it.
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Ok. In 2017 no Tesla shipped with the 3.0 computer required for the FSD package; that piece of hardware showed up later and got installed during builds in 2019 or so. Earlier computers were 2.0 or 2.5, the latter being what my 2018 M3 came with. In 2017, only the software package termed, “EAP” was available. It got improvements over time to the point where it could do a bit of self driving on interstates.
There were name changes over time. What had been called EAP got changed to FSD, all very confusing, and I lived through all that.
However, at the current time, any car running Tesla OS that says it has FSD has, at the minimum, the 3.0 computer. And the only way to get that into a MX 2017 car would have been to get it installed.
I can think of only a couple of ways that could have happened:
And to get the real, no kidding Beta software one has to actually request it and the dire warnings get a lot more serious, with good reason.
So, I’m making a guess that this is a used car that you bought, or you’d be aware of all this. It’s quite possible that a previous owner paid for and got installed the 3.0 computer as part of the FSD package. If the car passed through Tesla’s hands on its way to you, they likely removed the FSD option, hoping to hit you up for that later, although that’s not guaranteed. If you went through CarMax or something, the FSD sticks around, although you’ll have to go through the setup and dire warning screens. But the Beta.. just where did you get this car, anyway?
Final note. A car that has the 3.0 computer will report that it’s FSD Ready. Which is not the same thing as actually having the FSD option, which typically has to be paid for, somewhere.
There were name changes over time. What had been called EAP got changed to FSD, all very confusing, and I lived through all that.
However, at the current time, any car running Tesla OS that says it has FSD has, at the minimum, the 3.0 computer. And the only way to get that into a MX 2017 car would have been to get it installed.
I can think of only a couple of ways that could have happened:
- The original died and was replaced under warranty.
- Some enthusiast up and paid for a new computer for some reason.
- Somebody paid for FSD when that option became available in 2019 or later, like I did, in which case, as part of that package, Tesla would remove and replace the comp with a new one.
And to get the real, no kidding Beta software one has to actually request it and the dire warnings get a lot more serious, with good reason.
So, I’m making a guess that this is a used car that you bought, or you’d be aware of all this. It’s quite possible that a previous owner paid for and got installed the 3.0 computer as part of the FSD package. If the car passed through Tesla’s hands on its way to you, they likely removed the FSD option, hoping to hit you up for that later, although that’s not guaranteed. If you went through CarMax or something, the FSD sticks around, although you’ll have to go through the setup and dire warning screens. But the Beta.. just where did you get this car, anyway?
Final note. A car that has the 3.0 computer will report that it’s FSD Ready. Which is not the same thing as actually having the FSD option, which typically has to be paid for, somewhere.
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Tam
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That explains it as @JulienW mentioned. It's because you are not the original owner who knows whether the feature was paid or not.
The next thing to do is to check whether the FSD is paid/rented or not. You can go to your phone app and click
Upgrades->Software Upgrades and check the "Buy" tab and the "Subscribe" tab.
If you don't have your phone app, you can go to your car's screen display and click on "Software" and find out the car's FSD ownership/rental status.
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3 scenario seems the most likely. Tesla did do a pre-owned inspection while it was at another dealership before I ever took possession of the car. I'm currently at the service center and brought up my circumstances. The rep claims that no Teslas carry over FSD whether bought through Tesla or other dealers. The way he discredited my claim with a lie bothered me so I'm wondering if and how I could pursue this further?
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Um. It's been semi well-known that if a used car comes into Tesla's ownership (as in, somebody sold it to them) then the FSD software package gets removed. In that case, when they sell it to somebody, they're very clear that the car doesn't have the FSD package. Then we run into the caveats.
- If the car has FSD installed and all and goes through some third party like CarMax or some other used car purveyor (including other automotive dealerships of all stripes), then Tesla won't be a-doing that. Even if it goes through Tesla for a repair: At that point, It's Not Their Car.
- There were a couple of cases early on where Tesla didn't remove the FSD package during the period of time that they had title to the car. The punters who received the cars where Very Happy with their unexpected windfall. And it may have been advertised that the car being sold by Tesla had FSD on it. But, note: the punters insured the car including the value of FSD, they may have sold the car to somebody else telling them it had FSD, and so on. And, during this early-on period, Tesla swooped down from on high and remotely removed the FSD package. Uh, as you might imagine, this didn't go over well. Cue screaming, yelling, news articles on various blogs and real black-on-white newspapers, and so on, punters feeling maligned. After a week or so of this Tesla relented and the (several?) complainers got their FSD back.
My car definitely has FSD and the city streets driving Beta; I'm always mashing the little video recorder button at the top of the screen when the car makes a mistake, which is often.
The SO's car, a Model Y, has none of that stuff. No FSD, no EAP, etc. She likes it that way. Fine. But a couple of days ago when EAP was announced as a separate option (as a cut-down version of regular FSD) I checked the options in the app. Interestingly, both regular FSD and EAP were listed as beta versions.
Um. That's actually correct. Tesla's been classifying all of their advanced driver assist software as Beta. As I mentioned in my previous post, one can't use FSD (the regular, non-city-streets Beta version) or EAP without being warned that this is Beta software, you're required to keep your eyes up front, you're in charge of the car and so on. Dire warnings, but not nearly as dire as the FSD-b, where they actually say, "The car will definitely do the wrong thing at the wrong time". In those words, I kid you not.
So:
- As the Delivery Specialist who gave us our 2018 M3 LR RWD with a mistakenly free EAP on it said, "Sometimes, Tesla makes a mistake."
- Check the NAV screen. If there's a button for enabling FSD, then one hits that, reads the Dire Warnings, acknowledge that you're going to Pay Attention, and FSD R Us. If not, they may have removed the software.
- Check the App on your phone. Go to Upgrades->Software Upgrades, and see what's there. If FSD is listed as something you can buy, then you don't have it. If it says Nothing's Available or "You have all the software upgrades", then you've got FSD.
- Finally, on the app, at the bottom, you should have a little link for "View Details". Tap on that. It will list all the things the mechanical portions of your car can do. On both cars I have access to, one item says, "Full Self-Driving Capability". If you've got that, you definitely have the 3.0 computer.
Report back on items 1-4. If you have FSD, non city-streets-driving Beta, congrats, you got a freebie. Possible that Tesla might take it from you, but not likely. Also: Report what software version you've got on the car. Both the app and the car won't be shy about telling you which it is.
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