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Hydrogen Fueling Stations

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  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    Here is what I want to know.

    How much to build a 8 pump gasoline station?
    How much to build an 8 pump Hydrogen station?

    All legal requirement costs must be included.

    Trying to put together another "Hydrogen is not feasible" argument.
     
  2. Sgee

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    I have already looked at the feasability and the such. Even as a kid I could easily realize that it is just not meant for the average consumer. Where hydrogen will probably play a bigger part is in Airplanes and other things like that.
     
  3. stopcrazypp

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    $1 million to $4 million for a hydrogen station according to this article:
    Cost of Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure | Hydrogen Cars and Vehicles
    This is according to Larry Burns of GM and from a pro-hydrogen site, so you can assume this is the lower estimate, and there is no mention of how many pumps.

    I googled a little and sale prices of gas stations tend to be from the $100,000s to the millions.
    Mart for Sale
    Gas Stations and Convenience Stores For Sale

    I think you will have a hard time finding the exact numbers though.
    Related to this "Hydrogen is not feasible" argument is vehicle cost, so far it has been hidden, but this news gives a glimpse:
    Toyota to start leasing fuel cell vehicle in Japan - AutoblogGreen
    Toyota is leasing their FCHV-adv (basically a hydrogen Highlander) for $7700 per month (yes $7700 not $770) for a 30 month lease. That puts it at $231,000 at end of lease and you don't keep the car. The 470 mile range on the Japanese cycle is pretty good though.
     
  4. graham

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    I think the cost of a hydrogen station varies significantly as well depending on if they ship in the hydrogen, or create it on the spot.
     
  5. doug

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    This article might be relevant here:

    Pumping Hydrogen - NYTimes.com

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    I half expected the guy to continue by saying, "This time, it really is only 20 more years away!!"
     
  6. vfx

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  7. doug

    doug Administrator / Head Moderator

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    Talk about green washing...

    Saw this a few days ago. TTAC's picked it up, thought I'd pass it along:

    At Least He Didn’t Take a Private Jet - Wheels Blog - NYTimes.com

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    Fuel Cell Pols Gone Bad Vol. 1 | The Truth About Cars
     
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    Ha! The punch line for those who didn't read the article:

     
  9. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    Or:

    "These Battery powered cars are skarin' the bejeezes out of us!"
     
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    #12 vfx, Apr 8, 2009
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  13. stopcrazypp

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    Yes definitely a typo, should be $6.8 million. If it was $6.8 billion I think a lot of people would be outraged, we don't exactly have that kind of money to spend to support infrastructure for cars which are nowhere near ready.
     

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