Yeah I find myself staring at Semi’s passing merely feet away from my car thinking “This doesn’t look very safe”.
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Is Autopilot as awesome for you as it is for me?
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Yeah I find myself staring at Semi’s passing merely feet away from my car thinking “This doesn’t look very safe”.
I tend to love it in extreme traffic conditions.
Meaning that if it's empty I enjoy trying out NoA, and when its jam packed I like EAP.
If it's high speed traffic that's pretty busy then I use TACC only.
NoA would be a lot more useful in traffic if it didn't slow down so much before a lane change or a merge point.
Meaning that if it's empty I enjoy trying out NoA, and when its jam packed I like EAP.
If it's high speed traffic that's pretty busy then I use TACC only.
NoA would be a lot more useful in traffic if it didn't slow down so much before a lane change or a merge point.
chibi_kurochan
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chibi_kurochan
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I would have to second OPs point!
Especially after owning the Model 3 for the past 11 months and actually seeing how much progress Tesla has made in EAP AP2-2.5 (i also recognized the delay compared to the original promised date from late 2016/early 2017)
We had early 2017 Model S with AP2 that was almost useless.
Back to the original point, EAP takes a lot of stress, even adds more fun as i now able to read a book or people watch as we sit in traffic.
chronopc
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Yeah speeding doesn't save you a lot of time unless you're going a far distance. I've been so much more relaxed driving with EAP. It's probably going to extend my life.I have actually timed the difference and it only added 5 minutes to my commute to go the speed limit. No more hitting the break when I see a police car or having to scan the road for cops in the distance. Now I just cruise on by without a concern in the world. I also found it surprising how many people actually do go the speed limit. A whole new world
Yeah speeding doesn't save you a lot of time unless you're going a far distance. I've been so much more relaxed driving with EAP. It's probably going to extend my life.
I can't wait for someone to do a large study on the safety of adaptive cruise control.
Good things:
Increases following distances
Relaxes drivers because it's less stressful
Gives a second set of eyes for moments of inattention
People are less prone to speeding because it's really speed control. Most people don't say "Hey, I want to go 15+ over the speed limit", but they end up doing that with inattention to their speed. So adaptive cruise control has the limit as something a person is okay with (it's pretty average around where I drive).
Bad things:
Might encourage some people to text while driving
False positive braking might cause someone to get rear ended (if the person behind them isn't on ACC)
People might trust it too much and end up rear-ending stalled cars.
haha, I was also like WHAT???? not everyone has a chrome T? And then I was watching this vid and got to see the satin briefly:
d21mike
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If my math is correct:Yeah speeding doesn't save you a lot of time unless you're going a far distance. I've been so much more relaxed driving with EAP. It's probably going to extend my life.
160 miles at 80mph = 2 hours
160 miles at 65mph = 2 hours 27 minutes. It adds up.
One of my trips is 172 miles door to door.
To be fair part of the trip the speed limit is 70. To me 80mph is not that fast and most cars on California Highways do not drive the speed limit.
chronopc
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Yes, for a trip of that length it would definitely make a difference. However, there is so much traffic in CA, it would be hard to average 80mph. Most of the time you can't even average 65mph, which used to really piss me off, but now I just look at how it increases the efficiently and I don't really mind.
chronopc
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NoA is really nerve wrecking to use. Thee take over alert quite pop up a bit when I use it. The only reason why I'm even willing to use NoA right now is that I want to provide more data to Tesla so they can improve the feature.
In your experience.. did it change the behavior of autopilot? I used it on a small section of a freeway I always use with EAP and encountered phantom braking... I had never encountered phantom braking on that stretch before
chronopc
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I have experienced some phantom braking but that has always been the case. I do notice that after version 9 the phantom breaking is less aggressive, more akin to releasing the accelerator on an ICE vehicle vs. slamming on the breaks.
Here are some of the experience I've noticed on NoA that Tesla need to fix:
• When entering the freeway it would sometime get confused when the merge lane ends and prompt the driver to take over.
• When exiting the freeway if there are multiple paths to take (i.e. 2 lanes to turn left and one to turn right), it will get confused and prompt the driver to take over.
• When exiting a ramp that's followed by another ramp (for example take the left exit, keep left at the ramp, keep right at the ramp), it'll get confused and prompt the driver to take over.
• Sometimes it suggests a lane change to an lane that is exiting
• Lane change during heavy traffic is not useful, it doesn't adjust the speed to go into the gap, it will wait for a big enough gap to appear before making the lane change
• Lane change prompt for the exit lane is too late, it usually waits withing a mile to prompt, which is a problem because of the prior issue I listed
All in all I still think NoA is a good start, but it needs a lot of work. I would suggest to use with caution.
RyanDe
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Wonder if I've seen you, I usually get on exit 38/39 on 93 in MA and exit 28-30. AP is now on starting on the ramp and off at the ramp. love it, main reason I got the car.
As you can see in the video in my OP, I didn't have Nav on Autopilot enabled. For me, this is because my commute is a straight shot down a single interstate, so there actually isn't any difference from before except maybe the car taking my exit by itself.
But even then, the traffic is so bad and variable that the nav is actually changing its exit recommendation several times during the drive. And given the highway is mostly a parking lot, NoA isn't going to be able to change lanes effectively. It's way too timid.
I also turned off the lane change suggestions for similar reasons. It is way too timid and will often swerve back into the original lane after moving half way over. I feel like the AI has a LONG way to go before it can emulate the aggressive style(s) for each locale.
But even then, the traffic is so bad and variable that the nav is actually changing its exit recommendation several times during the drive. And given the highway is mostly a parking lot, NoA isn't going to be able to change lanes effectively. It's way too timid.
I also turned off the lane change suggestions for similar reasons. It is way too timid and will often swerve back into the original lane after moving half way over. I feel like the AI has a LONG way to go before it can emulate the aggressive style(s) for each locale.
I do try to look for other Teslas while driving. Easy to do when EAP is on! But I haven't seen many other MSM 3s. On that particular day, I ran into a white Model 3 with the Abstract Ocean "T E S L A" emblem on the back. The T logo was still there, and this guy mounted the letters on the bumper below the edge of the trunk. Looked pretty good there.
Knightshade
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I've yet to have any phantom braking- only about 3k miles so far, but 80%+ on EAP
I've not had it do that- but it does seem to not know an entry lane is going away until it literally goes away and it swerves over at the last second.
This I haven't seen at all though it will tell you as you exit Nav on AP is ending in 600 feet
I've only done this with exit right, then exit right again from the exit/service road- but it has worked 100% so far and I do it daily.
Yup, this happens decently often to me- that and the on-ramp lane going away behavior seem the 2 things most in need of major improvement.
Honestly the major problem is it can't see/understand more than a couple cars ahead so it has no understanding WHY traffic is going at the speeds it is in various lanes... so it's fairly often I can look ahead and know a lane change isn't a good idea even though NoA is suggesting it.
For example one spot on my daily drive the highway goes from 3 lanes down to 2.
It usually tells me to get in the right lane (since the left 2 are slowing from the merge)... but I can see/know that before the left merge ends, there's an on-ramp just a bit further down that's going to have the SAME merge issue on the right side slowing THAT traffic down.
So during rush hour (when that on ramp will be packed) my best course is actually to go to the LEFT lane, since that one merges into 1 sooner than the eventual right merge.
But the car thinks "Get in right lane since it's moving a bit faster right this second"
Not sure there IS a fix for this really...
Yeah... what it needs to do here is try and figure out if the exit lane is busy or not- if not it can probably wait later, otherwise it can't (without learning to merge in a more aggressively anyway).... but again not sure it can see/understand far enough ahead to actually do this.
chronopc
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I saw the prompt for NoA is ending in 600 feet. The exit lane in my case broke out to 3 lanes so it couldn't decided which one to take and promoted me to take over. If the exit lane doesn't branch out, it works really well.
The funny thing was that it was doing fine and taking the correct paths until the very last merge. I was pretty impressed until I got the take over prompt.
I've seen quite a few dash cam videos of people having issues with NoA. Seems like it's specific road conditions that it's currently having problems handling.
JBare
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This thread makes me happy Cannot wait to get my car in 2 weeks!!! Sitting in NoVA traffic 35 miles each way
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