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LOL! This is funny! Look at all the videos Exxon has made!

https://www.youtube.com/user/ExxonMobil?feature=watch

The specific video that you link to is the very reason I am buying a Tesla in a few months. "Almost 100 percent of plastics in the medical field is made from oil/natural gas".

Well holy crap, what if we run out? Lets not waste what we make most of our plastics/lubricants/etc and a lot of modern conveniences and needs on fueling our vehicles! It's so clear to see, its ridiculous.

Anyway, sorry that is a bit off topic, but if we are speaking longevity here. Whether it is batteries or some other source, we will need to find something else in the next fifty years to propel our transportation.
 
Tesla getting free Publicity because of the trademark issue. Tesla gotta love it. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...://auto.hexun.com/2013-12-25/160874448_2.html

Note there are 7 pages there, you can actually look at their competition as well.
It also says shipping is starting in January, arriving in February. As a Norwegian I know shipment dates cannot be trusted as people here have encountered countless delays.
That also happened just a month ago when what seemed to be everyone with an order for a model S got at least a month delay, and some even two!

I think this means they have done, or are close to a deal with China regarding price, and that we can expect some catalyst in Jan/Feb once again.

What was that short interest again?
 
Happy New Year: Hope 2014 finds you all in good health and mind!

Likewise. A healthy, happy, and financially rewarding 2014 to all of you.

Personally, I'm pleased that TSLA didn't go up very much near the end of 2013. I'm retired and have a minimum distribution for my IRA. I didn't want to have too big of a holding at the end of the year. I expect it to go up next near, especially after the 1st Quarter report.
 
For the Forbes article about adding GS and TSLA. Where do they get their numbers from? Institutions issue 13-F statements after the end of the quarter. How does the author know the trading patterns of institutions without either working for a custodial brokerage or know someone (insider info) at all the funds who do the trading? Or, is he referring to 13-F statements from Q3 during the run-up?
 
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For the Forbes article about adding GS and TSLA. Where do they get their numbers from? Institutions issue 13-F statements after the end of the quarter. How does the author know the trading patterns of institutions without either working for a custodial brokerage or know someone (insider info) at all the funds who do the trading? Or, is he referring to 13-F statements from Q3 during the run-up?

One could check institutional holding percentage on NASDAQ page, it updates at least once a week. Last time I checked(couple months ago) TSLA had 58%, now it is 60%.

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings
 
One could check institutional holding percentage on NASDAQ page, it updates at least once a week. Last time I checked(couple months ago) TSLA had 58%, now it is 60%.

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings

The updates there are based on institutional holdings as of the end of Q3 being 9-30. Nothing new there since. This is why I asked how someone would know Q4 institutional holding movement. Inside a trading house might know their own trading and holdings or perhaps a partner but no way to know across brokers and funds. These institutions range from very large to some holding only a few hundred shares to some that closed out positions. One interesting one is Baillie out of Scotland and a large buy during the Q3 period. Another is BNP Paribas which is HQ in France but this fund is in the US. Shares bought in earnest by funds outside the country during Q3 is interesting. This BNP position was new and is 7.1M shares during and at the end of Q3. They would have taken a hit with the activities in October thru ER and the dip to 120 unless they were selling and hedging. If it wasn't for BNP Paribas, the institutional net shares would have gone down 4%.
 
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The updates there are based on institutional holdings as of the end of Q3 being 9-30.

??? The hard fact is that NASDAQ updates institutional ownership percentage AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. Plain and simple.

This is why I asked how someone would know Q4 institutional holding movement.
That is why I answered you. Read mine post above.

Inside a trading house might know their own trading and holdings or perhaps a partner but no way to know across brokers and funds.
There are no need for conspiracy theories.
 
Show me there or other tracking sites that indicate any institutional reporting since 9/30. Of course they update daily or weekly as 13-F or 13-G/D forms come out in a steady flow but need to be out by six weeks after a quarter ends. Some came out as late as mid November after the Tesla ER. But I cannot see anything in Nasdaq or Whalewisdom that has anything for Tesla since 9/30 reporting requirements. Can you give explicit details of public info regarding what was stated in that Forbes article?
 
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Zzzz - the link you provided; all of the listed institutions and their holdings and related information that I saw were dated 9/30/2013. I believe this is Bonaire's question - do you have a different source with more recent dates on institutional ownership?

NASDAQ might be getting weekly updates to institutional holdings, but are those published?
 
Thanks adiggs - I am not trying to stir up a bee's nest but the Forbes article bothers me. Since I cannot track institutional buying other than through the SEC filings, I just don't know how these guys would know "something" about institutional advances or declines in shares. I personally have friends in the industry who won't tell me anything about what their trading desk does - they would lose jobs or at least be written up as a compliance issue. SoX and compliance laws have become a bit more stringent. Bernie Madoff and all....

Here: Whale Wisdom: Track Hedge Funds Using 13F Filings

That is the only mid-stream mild-correction (by Fidelity) I've seen since all the 13-F filings came out for Q3 compliance.

I'd like to know what kind of trouble someone would get into with the SEC for the Forbes authors who "imply" institutions are buying GS and TSLA (now) without actually knowing it. Perhaps they simply are "extending" the knowledge of the institutional deltas coming off the Q3 13-F filings. But that is 3-months ago.

That can be considered some type of market manipulation and, if not, should be, illegal without identifying when the action they are seeing was.

When I read many of the wide-variety of Motley Fool articles - I think "shouldn't these guys be considered illegal stock pumpers"? Since insider trading is illegal - the way they do it these days is by just making stuff up or using really impossible to pin-down phrases. And, I heard something recently by SCTY CEO Lydon Rive. He said "In eight years, solar pv arrays may not even be allowed to be installed without a battery standby system". Stuff like that makes me nuts because it simply is "marketing by speculation porn". It would be like the CEO of Chrysler saying "now that Fiat owns us, every American will probably buy a Chrysler product within the next 10 years".

Our market purchases and sales need factual guidance and folks like Motley Fool have taken stock speculation way too far and help create a frenzy for a wide variety of stocks. I guess the Forbes article triggered my "hey, wait a minute..." genes and that's why I made the comments on this page. When the market in general is anonymous and our choices are supposed to be "smart" then writers do us a disservice if they are writing in a manner meant to spread speculation and not facts.

i wrote a note to Forbes editors to ask what information the author uses for his statements.
 
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Thanks adiggs - I am not trying to stir up a bee's nest but the Forbes article bothers me. Since I cannot track institutional buying other than through the SEC filings, I just don't know how these guys would know "something" about institutional advances or declines in shares. I personally have friends in the industry who won't tell me anything about what their trading desk does - they would lose jobs or at least be written up as a compliance issue. SoX and compliance laws have become a bit more stringent. Bernie Madoff and all....

Here: Whale Wisdom: Track Hedge Funds Using 13F Filings

That is the only mid-stream mild-correction (by Fidelity) I've seen since all the 13-F filings came out for Q3 compliance.

I'd like to know what kind of trouble someone would get into with the SEC for the Forbes authors who "imply" institutions are buying GS and TSLA (now) without actually knowing it. Perhaps they simply are "extending" the knowledge of the institutional deltas coming off the Q3 13-F filings. But that is 3-months ago.

That can be considered some type of market manipulation and, if not, should be, illegal without identifying when the action they are seeing was.

When I read many of the wide-variety of Motley Fool articles - I think "shouldn't these guys be considered illegal stock pumpers"? Since insider trading is illegal - the way they do it these days is by just making stuff up or using really impossible to pin-down phrases. And, I heard something recently by SCTY CEO Lydon Rive. He said "In eight years, solar pv arrays may not even be allowed to be installed without a battery standby system". Stuff like that makes me nuts because it simply is "marketing by speculation porn". It would be like the CEO of Chrysler saying "now that Fiat owns us, every American will probably buy a Chrysler product within the next 10 years".

Our market purchases and sales need factual guidance and folks like Motley Fool have taken stock speculation way too far and help create a frenzy for a wide variety of stocks. I guess the Forbes article triggered my "hey, wait a minute..." genes and that's why I made the comments on this page. When the market in general is anonymous and our choices are supposed to be "smart" then writers do us a disservice if they are writing in a manner meant to spread speculation and not facts.

i wrote a note to Forbes editors to ask what information the author uses for his statements.


Institutional Investors And Fundamentals: What's The Link?

I am a novice, am I missing something?
 
Imitation is the sincerest form of competitor worry

From Forbes:
BMW Asks, Does It Take a Genius to Sell a Car? - Forbes

BMW wants to steal a few pages from the playbook of Apple Inc. and Tesla Motors Inc. Tesla allows mall-goers to drop into its outlets to kick the tires and learn about the technology that powers its electric Model S sedan.

“The highest pressure you’re likely to encounter is, ‘Would you like to schedule a test drive?’” Miles says. But he insists that unlike Tesla, whose sole distribution is through company-owned stores, BMW’s system isn’t designed as an end-run around dealers.

Instead, the company’s idea is to make your neighborhood BMW dealership “a place you can go to hang out on a Saturday,” Miles says. Think Apple store, where a “genius” will demonstrate products, answer questions and walk you through technical features without nagging you about buying something.

That’s why BMW wants its dealers to designate one-quarter of sales representatives as BMW “geniuses,” who don’t work on commission. Consumers can drop in to take a test drive or ask a few questions without the sales pressure...

...unless the consumer runs into one of the three-quarters of salesmen who are still on commission.

BMW’s plan also includes store makeovers. It wants dealers to make more room to show cars in the showroom by weeding out the thicket of staff cubicles. Stores are also adding big screens to give customers a closeup look at vehicles that aren’t in stock. The company says the move makes sense because the number of vehicle variants—models, body styles, engines, transmissions and assorted features— it offers has roughly doubled to about 100.

The $2.8 billion price tag for the the facility upgrades, which will increase space on the showroom floor by 40%, will come out of dealers’ own capital improvement budgets.

Oops.

Miles says 130 of BMW’s 339 U.S. dealers have signed contracts agreeing to the facility upgrades.

What about the other 62% of dealers who don't agree? Better hope your luck is better than average when you go shopping for a BMW.