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  1. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Sounds like a calendar spread
  2. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I proceeded with a straight roll of 155/185 call spreads expiring tomorrow. Out 1 week and because the spread was <1/2 ITM I was able to keep the strike while also adding a $1 credit. I think they have a decent chance of being OTM by expiration tomorrow, and I still prefer these spreads being...
  3. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    And he's not taking the bait!
  4. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I like that there are several people answering questions, and not exclusively Elon. I think these are the questions put together ahead of time so they've been able to prep the different people answering, but the point is that there are others than Elon talking. For me at least this is a big...
  5. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    As you well know if you think you're missing something and its just too good to be true... then it is :) My suggestion - even if you see these as different (and I also see these as different from the emotional and how well I can manage them side), analyze the buy-write as if you were selling a...
  6. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I know that it doesn't emotionally feel the same as a CSP (cash secured put), but a buy-write is identical to a CSP. The only difference due to margin is if you're using margin to buy the shares in the buy-write. If you have 100% of the cash to back a put, or 100% of the cash to buy the...
  7. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    LEAPs cheat sheet. As I understand things we are larding up the term LEAP with a bunch of extra meaning. We use LEAP to mean a long dated long / purchased call. Long being more than 12 months. But really a LEAP is just a 12+ month DTE option. You can buy or sell, puts or calls, put them...
  8. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    The wildcard that I have lost some cycles to, is whether the investor community is about to experience a ChatGPT moment regarding FSD technology development. In this situation AI type multiples and hype are suddenly the driving story about the company, and as we've seen with NVIDIA, its hard to...
  9. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    not-advice I hope I can get this articulated clearly - I am increasingly of the view that in the short to medium term (I take medium out to 2 years / end of option chain) the market is at the start of a fundamental reassessment of the correct valuation of TSLA and Tesla. My long term view (10+...
  10. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    not-advice One idea for DITM spreads that I've been using effectively this year is a flip roll. Round numbers - you can flip roll an ITM call spread to an equally ITM put spread with the same expiration, but one strike worse, for a net credit. I don't know how far ITM the spread is that...
  11. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    This right here is exactly the sort of anecdotes we'll be having while the software is still not all that close to ready, but still heading in the right direction. Features where the experience has noticeable differences among users like this. I used to teach an introductory data science...
  12. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I am equally blown away by just how good the current FSD is. I found the Auto Max Speed setting particularly good - great job of choosing the car's speed most of the time. I agree that in the march of 9s, this edition of FSD is a big step forward towards robotaxi. I do not agree that FSD, or...
  13. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Position update for me - I shifted heavily short yesterday when shares were off ~$4; so far that's proving good timing for me. Heavily short means that the overall portfolio is roughly flat with shares off 2.75% today. The part that actually shows a loss are the shares that I have a 10+ year...
  14. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    +1 2017 Model X. Still driving that Model X with a bit over 100k miles now. But I'm an anecdote :)
  15. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    There is a big difference between chip design like NVDA does, and chip fab like TSMC / Samsung / Intel / Global Foundries (such as TSMC fabbing the chip designs from NVDA). As far as I know between those 4 that is the complete universe of companies that fabricate chip designs on leading edge...
  16. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I don't KNOW. This is GUESSWORK and SPECULATION. But I do have 1 idea that I think worth mentioning because if my guess is right I can see this having the same sort of share price impact as the Hertz announcement (you might not agree with the impact, were this even true). I begin with this...
  17. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    In my mind these are reasons for the long term value of the company and the share price, and I share them. These are not reasons to use for short term trades. We've seen plenty of instances where the market can remain irrational for far longer than we believe possible. 2013 to 2018ish comes...
  18. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Is it just me - I was expecting a lot more negative press coverage of the P&D than I've been actually seeing. In the past P&D could be counting on seeing press explaining how it was less good than it seemed. Like at least some of the authors seem to be aiming for. Now we get an actually bad...
  19. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    P&D is an interesting event because, at least for me, it encapsulates one of the core ideas that I've had to come to grips with. As a long term buy and hold shareholder I don't care about the D - it's all about the P for me. As long as I believe that Tesla is supply constrained (and I still do...
  20. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    P&D contains production and delivery units information. That's all.
  21. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Oh I wasn't looking to sell that strike :) I was looking to buy, and paying 1/2 of the potential gain, that gain being dependent on the inevitable bankruptcy in the next year, is not enough potential gain for the risk. I'll keep an eye out. I hadn't thought about selling puts against the...
  22. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I figure its a penny stock that just hasn't caught up with that. The market seems to agree with me. At least when I looked yesterday a max dte $20 strike put costs $10. Paying $10 for a position with a max value of $20, simplistically, sounds like the market is thinking 50/50 the company is...
  23. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Here's how I'm thinking about these: For movement - the ones I buy cost me around $25-30 so far, and they move $5 worth up and down with frequency. $5 move on $30 is a 16% gain. Those $5 option price moves happen frequently - today's $10 move in the share price will have been close to a $5...
  24. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I don't have insight there, but I did decide later in the market to crank in some negativity from the bridge in Baltimore. I figure that we'll see supply chain disruptions. I don't expect there to be much direct impact to Tesla, but I see the stock market as priced to perfection, with Tesla...
  25. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Exactly this. It's not new cash in hand, and I expect that the recognition will get first paragraph billing as a 1 time item. The original cash flow didn't get that much attention, but it'll be discounted as a one time item and the EPS will get that backed out. The reality the way investors...
  26. adiggs

    ALL CyberTruck discussion

    Not quite the same message as the headline suggests.
  27. adiggs

    SpaceX vs. Everyone - ULA, NG, Boeing, Lockheed, etc.

    Sorry for the bump - I have nothing to add. Just noticed that this thread, that has formerly been one of the most active and interesting threads in this forum, has fallen all the way back to page 3. I find that interesting :)
  28. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I got emails from Tesla to configure and order my Foundation series Cybertruck (waiting for the non-Foundation, and then probably another year of manufacturing for early build kinks to get worked out) AS WELL AS a take delivery from inventory by March 31 and we get to port our free supercharging...
  29. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Any idea which of those funds / ETFs (if any) are making those purchases on a discretionary basis? First thought, this being Vanguard, is that these are actually or effectively index funds and just ongoing flow of money into those funds is getting deployed across the range of stuff that...
  30. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I don't like rolling for a debit for multiple reasons. One of them is that I feel like I'm taking my loss and throwing a few extra logs on the fire in an attempt to save it. At least with a credit I'm building up what I've gotten out of the position to offset that loss if/when I finally wrap...
  31. adiggs

    Russia/Ukraine conflict

    Reasonable odds of a disproportionate impact on Russian civilians, to the degree that finished petroleum products are needed for the war. I figure the war machine will be the last consumer to be rationed, economy logistics will be next to last, and consumers the first (if we subdivide...
  32. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    You realize the loss whatever you roll to. What you're talking about is cash flow - -$6k cash flow will realize that loss, and establish a new cost basis that will eventually lead to another realized gain/loss. A roll transaction is really 2 transactions that the broker does as a single...
  33. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    https://www.knightfrank.com/research/article/2021-03-01-how-much-wealth-gets-you-into-the-global-top-1 In the US its about $5M to be top 1% (net worth). https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/1212/average-net-worth-of-the-1.aspx $400-600k (individual, family) for top 1% income in the...
  34. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    What do you see in the environment that leads you to this?
  35. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    At a societal level this kind of deflation is a huge positive. Cars will need a smaller and smaller fraction of the family budget over time. But in the short term while the cost to build these things is still plummeting, and for individuals that expected the $67k residual value and now have...
  36. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I've got a mess to clean up and I'd like to see what holes people can poke in this logic I've applied. I flip-rolled some -200/+170p put spreads expiring next week, out to -145/+175c call spreads expiring in April. Yes - DITM on one side, to DITM on the other side. I rarely roll for a debit...
  37. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    In my case if I purchased June '26 300 strike leaps (and I have) then I'd be looking to sell before June 2025. I'll carry them further forward than that if I need to, but I'll be getting really itchy if I still own them in June 2025 because of that time decay problem. At 6 months I'll be...
  38. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Perfection of course would be selling shares today at 162 and then buying leaps later at 130 (or whatever). But that is a highly directional position to be taking. The rationale for the shares to leaps shift as a simultaneous transaction is that you eliminate the directionality / timing...
  39. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I'm in a waiting for lower share price mode right now. Like a few others I'm seeing a bad combination of 2024 macro and company setup that I see readily translating into a serious revaluation of the company downwards. I have seen the market "wake up" a couple of times and realize that the...
  40. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    It's a calendar spread in general, and a poor man's covered call in this specific combination. Those are the magic terms that will help you find stuff to tell you in as much, or more, details as you'd like about them.
  41. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Closed out some more call spreads. These started life as put spreads and were fairly far ITM, got flip rolled into 195/225 call spreads for 3/22 expiration. Down to $3 or so, from probably $20 - I think we've got more down than up from here, but getting out of that position makes me happy...
  42. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    A little bit up today was enough for me - opened some 200 strike cc for next week @ .54. I don't see this little bit of an uptick lasting.
  43. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    In honor of this most recent tangent, I want to remind everybody that none of us are tax pros or financial advisers. Even if we actually are those things outside of this forum, none of us are any of those things here. So anything you learn here, you need to go do your own research, because any...
  44. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    It's not moot. But to the degree that that those losses are rolled into existing positions, then they're not yet realized losses - they are adjustments to cost basis. So sell a 200 strike put for $10 and take assignment. Instead of a $10 realized cap gain from the put, what goes into your...
  45. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    It'll be a real / realized loss. You'll just be entering a new position that puts more cash in your pocket to go forward from there with. Rolling a losing position realizes the losing position, while creating positive cash flow when you roll for a credit. Just remember that you can maintain...
  46. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    While I was still earning a paycheck, I never understood the difference between normal (paycheck) income and capital gains. It matters in other areas - you can only contribute to IRAs using normal income, not capital gains / investment income. Makes sense when I think about it some - makes me...
  47. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I can answer that! I've got me some of that kind of asset. If you had, as a hypothetical, a net capital loss of $500k in 2024, then you'll take $3k against the rest of your income on this year's taxes, and you'll have a $497k capital loss carried forward into next year. When you have a net...
  48. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I'm still trying to figure out a good DTE when buying options, and I know that there isn't a one-size-fits-all answer by any stretch. I'm finding that my success with buying options comes from buying the max dte options at what I consider a good price and waiting. So far I'm getting good...
  49. adiggs

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I'm thinking battery backup / generator backup.