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i ordered a M3P and have not received a VIN yet and i been thinking about changing my order to M3D.
who have chosen the M3D over getting the M3P and why?
not planning on tracking the car and the 20" rims make no difference to me, the maximum acceleration (0-60 3.2) is nice but not sure how much i would use it if i do not track the car...on ramps???
what i did like was the spoiler, brakes and radio. did not realized both cars have the same radio so that is what made me think do i really need the M3P and just go with M3D
not planning on tracking the car and the 20" rims make no difference to me, the maximum acceleration (0-60 3.2) is nice but not sure how much i would use it if i do not track the car...on ramps???
what i did like was the spoiler, brakes and radio. did not realized both cars have the same radio so that is what made me think do i really need the M3P and just go with M3D
not planning on tracking the car and the 20" rims make no difference to me, the maximum acceleration (0-60 3.2) is nice but not sure how much i would use it if i do not track the car...on ramps???
what i did like was the spoiler, brakes and radio. did not realized both cars have the same radio so that is what made me think do i really need the M3P and just go with M3D
Bigger brakes don't matter for street driving. If you don't plan to track the car and you don't care about the appearance differences, don't get the P.
I currently own a 911S and a Chevy SS. In the past I’ve had other Porsche’s an, M5, and several other fun/fast cars. The M3D I bought a few weeks ago feels faster than all of them. I think it is numerically faster than most of them. 0-60 is one thing but the biggest grin for me is the mid-range acceleration. Even at highway speeds you can floor it and take off like a bullet. It’s fantastic. What’s even more amazing is the power delivery given the fairly narrow, non-performance rubber (I have the 18” Aeros). I’m sure the P is even better but for me this is a lot of fun and I’m not seeing the $8-10k difference.
The M3D is good for 0-60 in the 4.4 range and 1/4 mi in the 12.7 sec range. The M3P rockets this 4100 lb car to 60 in 3.2 sec and the 1/4 mile comes at 11.7s.
This is not correct.
Tesla is deceptive in their listed stats on their cars- they use a different measurement for the Ps than the non-Ps.... (one using 1 foot rollout, the other not).
Nobody else does this. (Tesla initially did NOT do it for the 3, though they've long done it on the S/X- originally listing the P3 at 3.5 and the AWD at 4.5, both without using rollout- but then they went back to dishonesty and overnight the P dropped to 3.3 without any actual change... then they knocked .1 off both when they pushed the "5% average power" update).
Anyway, back in reality, magazine testing (where they use the same test for all cars- and include rollout- so these are the #s you'd actually use to compare cars to each other) the AWD Model 3 does 4.0 in the 0-60 and 12.5 in the 1/4 mile.
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor First Test Review - MotorTrend
It looks like MotorTrend rated the M3P at 3.1 sec in that article and when they refer to prior testing of the M3P it looks like they are quoting the hp/tq figures prior to the software update. (450h/471tq) From what I read, post software update they are showing dyno reports of 464hp/496tq now on the M3P?
They're quoting the pre-bump dyno #s for the AWD there too.
Though peak dyno #s aren't a great indication of anything real-world useful on a single-speed EV.... (this is obvious by the fact the AWD and the P get within 1-2 mph of each other for 1/4 mile trap speed, while the RWD is 10+ mph slower- despite them all having supposedly big, roughly comparable per step, peak HP differences)
No question the P is significantly quicker to 60 (though not by as much as Teslas dishonest two-system-measurements would want you to believe), but not much difference past that... (another way to see that is the P gets to 60 almost a second sooner... but that ~1 second difference doesn't really get any larger by 115 mph at the end of a 1/4 mile run)
Personally my own driving is 90%+ highway, and the <10% that isn't is almost entirely non-city driving usually with a single lane each way, so the difference is useful pretty near 0% of the time to me.
If I still lived in my previous house where a large % of my drive time was stoplight to stoplight, multi-lane, it'd be another story.
Are these 30-50 and 50-70 times you listed last year (post #4) still accurate today or did the performance software update improve the 30-70 numbers for the M3D and M3P?
Performance vs Dual Motor - highway speed
I am hopeful that if Telsa implements performance improvements that they would be slated for the M3P owners first and foremost because the hardware they include in the package is nothing to write home about.
They've improved slightly, should be a much newer thread with at least some of that data, though it's obviously very small improvements given the times are already crazy quick for both
Found the AWD data in an email I sent someone a few weeks ago-
30-70 3.21s
50-70 1.82s
30-50 1.39s
would have to poke around for the newer P data