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Model 3 and Supercharging

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by harrisonjs, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. harrisonjs

    harrisonjs Member

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    I was asked the other day and thought I knew the answer (not unlimited), but then I researched and found a number of conflicting posts. One from EM said that Model 3 supercharging would be unlimited for trips. Is this another example of "wait and see"? What is the latest thinkg?
     
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    He mentioned "free long distance" but this has multiple meanings.

    If we receive 400 kWh of free supercharging and I look at my actual miles I travel in a year, beyond everyday stuff, then 400 kWh would cover it.

    The average American drives 13,476 miles per year. Depending on how you drive, in a Model 3, 400 kWh should cover over 1500 miles easy. That's over one tenth of your total yearly miles the vast majority of people do not travel more than this.

    I, personally, travel around 1440 miles per year by car, which is about five trips to my parents' house. Now, I'd probably charge the car to 100% travel 73 miles to a supercharger on the way, charge the 20 kWh or so I just used and then I'd have enough charge to get to my destination and back home again. This means on a single round trip of 288 miles or so I'd only use 20 kWh of supercharging. Thus for the entire year just those five trips of 1440 miles total I'd only use 100 kWh of supercharging.

    If I were to quadruple the number of trips (which I don't need to see my parents THAT much :p) I'd use 400 kWh of supercharging and travel 5760 miles which would be 42% of the average american's miles for the entire year.

    Basically, for me and many other people who can charge at home, supercharging on a Model 3 for long distance travel is virtually free as the majority of cost is at home.
     
  3. Twiglett

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    I would not assume free supercharging for Model 3, but instead expect the reasonable costs that were/are in use for Model S.
     
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    The Model S vs. 3 comparison chart from Tesla shows "Pay Per Use Supercharging" for Model 3.
     
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    I have a feeling that if they give you 400kWh of charging per year, there will be ways to get more, or win more, or something like that.

    Or eventually when the Model 3 is a normal purchase, not something you get in 18 months, they will double it at the end of quarters, etc..
     
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    JeffK is correct. M3 will get 400 kWh of free supercharging. It was never clarified if this if this is per year, or just flat, onetime amount. Pay per use after that.

    This way They can always give incentives to purchase a car rather than discount the list price.
     
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    #7 BluestarE3, Jul 12, 2017
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    400 kWh is per year for the S and X (i.e., you get a new allocation every year). Whether or not the first 400 kWh hours free applies to the Model 3 is still not known at this time. From the comparison chart, is it pay-per-use period or pay-per-use after exhausting the annual free allocation?
     
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  8. JeffK

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    Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to in my post. It remains to be seen exactly what he meant by that.
    Free long distance may not mean free unlimited long distance. Also, it's unclear what he means by "long distance" 20 miles, 50 miles, 100 miles from your home?
     
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    I still haven't heard what's the special prize for 1st day reservations. Could it be more than 400kWh free supercharge?
     
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    I doubt its a freebie - I'm betting that its something we get access to but still have to pay for.
     
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    Got a source for that as it relates to the Model 3? Offhand, I can't remember a single official source that mentions the free 400 kWh.
     
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    A couple points to ponder: 1) There are people in urban areas who choose to Supercharge daily rather than charge at home in order to save money. I'm more concerned about the health of my battery than the dollar or so of electricity I consume to drive 50 miles. Living in Phoenix I charge late at night to minimize heat while charging, which even in the Summer pales in comparison to Supercharging.

    2) After considerable calculations I am convinced my S' "fuel" at home costs less than half of what my 46-47 mpg Honda hybrid costs at the pump -- and the cost of the hybrid's fueling would be great if only electric cars didn't exist.

    I mention those two points only to illustrate that free, frequent Supercharging at your home base is unnecessary, inconvenient and perhaps somewhat damaging to your battery. (Of course, if you can't charge at home like my stepson in San Diego, then daily or weekly Supercharging is a near necessity. )

    I have unlimited free Supercharging on my S and expect none free on my 3. I couldn't care less even if I took lots of long trips, which I don't. Free Supercharging is surely low on anyone's "need to worry" list.
     
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    That doesn't specify it only applies to S and X, it says "For Teslas..."

    They can always change their minds later, but there have been no other concrete statements saying otherwise. except for the "free long distance" thing which was after that message.
     
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    I have my doubts that was meant to apply to the 3, seeing as how it wasn’t even in production at the time. But I guess time will tell.
     

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