Model S P85 green, 19k miles, fully loaded $91K, AZ - SOLD

[SuryaDham]

Model S P85 green, 19k miles, fully loaded $91K, AZ

I'm selling my very much loved model S, because I am going back to germany. Would take it with me if it would make sense, but it doesn't...

Including all the options it would cost about 122K before tax credit to replace it new.
I'll sell it for US$91K.

And that's the configuration/options:
85 kWh Performance Model S

- Green Metallic Paint (looks more like black imo.)
- All Glass Panoramic Roof
- 21" Grey Turbine Wheels
- Tan Nappa Leather Seats
- Carbon Fiber Decor
- Carbon Fiber Spoiler
- Supercharger Enabled
- Tech Package
- Smart Air Suspension
- Fog Lamps
- Extended Nappa Leather Trim
- Alcantara Headliner
- Premium Interior Lighting
- Twin Charger
- Sound Studio Package

- 4 years service prepaid incl. unlimited ranger visits (3years left)
- Escort Passport 9500ci, with front and rear laser shifters radar detection system + professional installation
- tinted windows
- all available adapters for the universal mobile connector
- Front and rear custom Al and Eds floor mats
- Lighting upgrades both trunk and frunk
- LED license lights
- All weather Model S Trunk Set
- All weather Model S Front Trunk Mat
- All weather Model S 3rd row Footwell
- Model S front Trunk Cargo Net
- Connector protector

The car is just a bit over a year old, it was delivered on Dec. 23th 2012.
I still need the car until February 4th or 5th.
I am currently in Seattle with the car and will drive it down the westcoast to Sedona AZ, and there it will be for sale. The car has 16.5k miles on it now, and I will add another 2.5k more miles. So it will have about 19k miles on it at the time of sale.

Title is clear.

If anyone is interested, please send a PM.


List Date: 1/25/2014
Location: Sedona, AZ, United States

For more info, click here to view the original listing: Model S P85 green, 19k miles, fully loaded $91K, AZ
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[NuclearPowered]

Good additional information to provide would be the max rated range and the part number of the battery I.E. A or B pack.


VIN was visible in pics. I presume since the VIN is in the low 2000s it is an A battery pack.

 

[FredTMC]

Vin in pic... 2309.

 

[SuryaDham]

yes, VIN is 2309, that means it's an A battery pack.

I didn't range charge in quite a while, so I don't know the max rated range. But I will do it asap and will report back the max rated range.
Isn't the max rated range dependent on outside temperature in newer firmwares? Does the number only make sense if I also check what the outside temperature was at the time of the range charge?

 

[konze]

Wäre an einem import nach Europa interessiert. Bei uns gibt es keine Gebrauchtwagen. Wäre es möglich dafür von Ihnen Hilfestellung zu bekommen? Wäre ein nachrüsten der europäischen Optionen (Twin charger Typ 2) noch in Amerika bei Tesla möglich?
Danke,
Beste Grüsse
Konrad

 

[SuryaDham]

Hallo Konrad,

am liebsten hätte ich mein Model S selbst mit nach Europa genommen, habe mich aber dagegen entschieden, weil ich mir ziemlich sicher bin, dass es sich nicht lohnt.
Es müssten beide Charger ausgewechselt werden. Ein nachträglicher Einbau eines zweiten Chargers kostet 3.600 USD je Stück.
Beim Wechseln beider Charger kann man also etwa von usd 7.200 ausgehen. Dann muss der Chargeport gewechselt werden, weil Europa ganz andere Ladestecker hat.
Dann muss man den Blinker ändern, und ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass noch einige weitere Dinge geändert werden müssen, weil die elektrischen Standards hier anders sind (NEC= national electric code vs. VDE, würde mich nicht wundern wenn es da ein paar konträre Dinge gibt).
Dann ist die Frage, ob das Auto dann für den Supercharger in Europa freigeschalten ist, ich würde mal sagen nein, weil man mit dem Kauf die Nutzung der SC in Nordamerika erworben hat, Europa dürfte eine andere Baustelle sein.
Dann kommt die Verschiffung und natürlich die Einfuhr-Umsatzsteuer.
Dann braucht man in Deutschland/Österreich wahrscheinlich eine Art Einzel-Prüfung/Zulassung mit ungewissem Ausgang. Im schlimmsten Fall hat man dann einen Tesla, mit dem man nicht fahren darf, weil man irgendwas übersehen hat.

Mir war klar, dass ich davon die Finger lasse...

Gruß
Surya

If you guys wonder what we are talking about: Basically Konrad is thinking about importing a model S to Austria and I suggested to forget it.

 

[AudubonB]

If you guys wonder what we are talking about: Basically Konrad is thinking about importing a model S to Austria and I suggested to forget it.

Ah, thanks. I'd gotten that NEC part okay.

 

[3pod]

Any chance this has the rear facing seats too?

 

[SuryaDham]

Sorry, no rear facing seats...

 

[Moparposterchild]

Sorry, no rear facing seats...

Isn't your vin early enough that the rear seats could be added?

Also, doing the math based on the Tesla formula for inventory cars, 14 months (Dec '12- Feb '14 x $1k per month ($14,000), $1 per mile after 500 ($18,500), and the federal tax rebate $7,500 comes out to $40,000 off the car which would put that car at approximately $82,000 if we are basing it on todays replacement cost you mentioned above. It also looks like you have a CA carpool sticker which means you may have also gotten another $2500 incentive from the state, but I can't tell without seeing the plate, so we won't consider that in the equation.

When you ordered the car it was likely less than todays prices... Do you still have the sticker for the car to show the original price?

If you are willing to sell the car based on the Tesla formula, also based the original price paid for the car, and the rear seats can be added, I would be seriously interested in the car. I live in Los Angeles so you could sell it on your way back to AZ.

If not, good luck with the sale. It is a beautiful car.

 

[carnut4ever]

I would like to make you an offer, you can PM me.
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[MassX1317]

Cars depreciate when you drive them off the lot. All those loaners start out with those high depreciation miles already on the odometer. There is also nothing in inventory in this price range or lower so you can't really compare.

If the car originally cost $100k, and is driven 21.5k miles a year, it would be worth $0 after three years. Doesn't make any sense after about 6k miles.

 

[SuryaDham]

I have just replaced the rear tires with new ones.
Also the front tires are due for renewal soon. I think they are fine for a very few thousand miles. I will lower the price by $1.000 (price of the tires incl. work) to $90.000 and the buyer can replace them anytime he feels it's time.

Tesla formula: As MassX1317 wrote, the formula is nice for cars that are very few months old and have very few thousand miles on it.
But for my car to be worthless in just 3 yrs? Don't think that reflects a fair value. I think for anything beyond what Tesla uses the formula for (which is cars that are a very few months old and have only a very few thousand miles) the formula needs to be adjusted. Maybe first few month deduct 1.000 per month, next few months deduct 800 per month, then deduct 700 per month and so on. Same with miles. First few thousand miles deduct $1. Next few thousand miles deduct $0.8, next few thousand miles $0.7 and so on. Something in that ballpark.

Fortunately I don't need to sell the car. If I get a deal I'll be happy, if not I will just store it, since I'll be back in the US anyway.

Keep your offers coming, guys. Highest bid I got so far is $86.5k. Still won't sell at that price, but a bit more than that and I'll consider it.

 

[Moparposterchild]

Cars depreciate when you drive them off the lot. All those loaners start out with those high depreciation miles already on the odometer. There is also nothing in inventory in this price range or lower so you can't really compare.

If the car originally cost $100k, and is driven 21.5k miles a year, it would be worth $0 after three years. Doesn't make any sense after about 6k miles.

National average for milage is 12k miles a year, not 21.5k That would be a $36k deprecation for mileage. Most 100k cars depreciate AT LEAST that much in 3 years.

 

[carnut4ever]

yes, VIN is 2309, that means it's an A battery pack.

I didn't range charge in quite a while, so I don't know the max rated range. But I will do it asap and will report back the max rated range.
Isn't the max rated range dependent on outside temperature in newer firmwares? Does the number only make sense if I also check what the outside temperature was at the time of the range charge?

Can someone educate me on the "A" battery pack significance?

 

[MassX1317]

National average for milage is 12k miles a year, not 21.5k That would be a $36k deprecation for mileage. Most 100k cars depreciate AT LEAST that much in 3 years.

The formula someone was using was 1% per year, $1 per mile, less $7,500 tax credit.

At that rate after 3 years:
$100k purchase price
($36k) monthly discount
($36k) mileage discount
($7.5k) tax credit

3 year old car, only 36k miles for $20k?? Seems a just a wee bit low. Like I said before, the Tesla inventory pricing is only valid for about 6k miles and a few months old. Even with a 5% discount, cars under $100k original price are gone within the day.

 

[yobigd20]

Model S P85 green, 19k miles, fully loaded $91K, AZ

Cars depreciate when you drive them off the lot. All those loaners start out with those high depreciation miles already on the odometer. There is also nothing in inventory in this price range or lower so you can't really compare.

If the car originally cost $100k, and is driven 21.5k miles a year, it would be worth $0 after three years. Doesn't make any sense after about 6k miles.

That formula is a joke and stupid to follow. If you do the math, by this December my fully loaded P85 will be worth less than $0 and I'll have to pay somebody to take it from me. Does anybody here want my P85 for free plus another $15k in cash to go with it??

$103k purchase price
-$7500 rebate
-$21000 (21 months)
-$90000 (~90k miles by Dec '14)
Sale price: free plus I give you $15.5k

Depreciation should be a derivative, not linear. The formula is very very flawed.

 

[yobigd20]

Model S P85 green, 19k miles, fully loaded $91K, AZ

National average for milage is 12k miles a year, not 21.5k That would be a $36k deprecation for mileage. Most 100k cars depreciate AT LEAST that much in 3 years.

But ICE cars have an engine with thousands of parts that can break and loads of other things that can go wrong with it. The Model S is different. It won't rust. It'll last probably 2x-3x longer than ICE cars do. And the battery packs can be upgradeable essentially making it brand new again. The old ICE depreciation model doesn't apply to the Model S.

 

[AudubonB]

Does anybody here want my P85 for free plus another $15k in cash to go with it??

$103k purchase price
-$7500 rebate
-$21000 (21 months)
-$90000 (~90k miles by Dec '14)
Sale price: free plus I give you $15.5k

Naah. But make that $16K and, well, yeah, I guess. Let me know when you've wired me the funds.

 

[Al Sherman]

Can someone educate me on the "A" battery pack significance?

Me too. And How do you tell? Just Vin#? If so, what's the cutoff. Is this just 120kW charging? Or, are there other factors?