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NSW EV charging master plan
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Interesting stuff but I found it very annoying and irritating to listen to the “interviewer” frequently interrupting David Malicki mid-answer. It was a struggle to make it to the end. Pretty rude I thought.
It probably should've been in effect for 3 or 5 years minimum. I feel like the past nine months flew by, before you know it the exemption is almost gone. Not gonna do much to encourage EV sales at this rate.If things require revocation, Governments might forget to do it
The Minister could issue a new order to extend the end date, but I don’t expect that will happen.
RichardV
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"The NSW Government is offering funding for councils to set up electric vehicle (EV) charging.
The state has extended the deadline to access funding for the purchase and installation of an electric vehicle (EV) charger. Submissions for EV destination charging grants can now be made up until Friday 11 November 2022"
local.governmentcareer.com.au
The state has extended the deadline to access funding for the purchase and installation of an electric vehicle (EV) charger. Submissions for EV destination charging grants can now be made up until Friday 11 November 2022"
EV grants still open - GovernmentCareer - Local
The NSW Government is offering funding for councils to set up electric vehicle (EV) charging.
The Inner West Council in Sydney has just opened its consultation on its EV strategy. I will be making a submission.
Electric Vehicle Encouragement Strategy 2022
Comment on our suggested approach to making Inner West the best place in Australia to own and operate an Electric Vehicle.
yoursay.innerwest.nsw.gov.au
One of the things they want to encourage is EV charging at local service stations
. Most local servos are the size of postage stamps with zero amenity. The last place you’d want to put an EV charger in my view. They haven’t quite got their head around the fact that the objective of EV charging is NOT to replicate the fossil fuel refuelling experience. It’s a very different problem with different solutions.We need level 2 chargers at local shops and other destinations, the idea is to charge while you're doing something else. In the city I'd rather have a lot of level 2 than a few DC rapid chargers. Level 2 chargers are mostly FREE - 0.40 c/kWh. DC rapid chargers are 0.60 - 0.70 c/kWh (unless you have a discount).
Exactly. The IWC strategy is mostly good and well-intentioned, but they do miss the mark in a number of places. They are overly fixated with DCFCs (they want to make them mandatory in new commercial buildings!) and seem oblivious to the advantages of wide-scale, low-cost AC charging in comparison.
Essentially, this looks a lot like a document that an ICE driver would write, thinking this is what EV drivers need.
Also Level 1/2/3 is US nomenclature that had its origins in making a distinction between 1-phase and 3-phase AC charging since 3-phase power to households is so rare in the USA. It’s not applicable here. Here we should just refer to AC and DC charging, with a power level.
Not entirely true. In North America (also Japan and a few other places) they have 2-pin and 3-pin sockets. Their bog-standard 2-pin socket is Active and Neutral. They have a bunch of 3-pin standards, but it's typically 2 Active phases and neutral. Different to here where our 3-pin standard is Active, Neutral and Earth.
* Level 1 uses one active pin (120V)
* Level 2 uses two active pins (240V)
If you look at a J1772 plug or your J1772 adapter, the pins are often labelled. You've got the 2 small control pins (CP - Control Pilot, and PP - Proximity Pilot), and the 3 main pins: L1, L2/N & PE. They're Line 1, Line 2/Neutral (so Line 2 on Level 2 charging, or Neutral on level 1 charging), and Protective Earth. It becomes self-explanatory around then.
If you look at a CCS Type 1 plug, you've got the exact same CP, PP and PE pins up top, and the big DC+ and DC- pins underneath.
This video does a good job explaining how the US 120 V system is wired to the transformer. Our transformers are wired differently so we don't have level 1 (120 V) charging, we only have level 2 (240 V).
TLDR;
US neutral is wired to a centre tap on the transformer, resulting in two 120 V to neutral phases 180 degrees out of phase, and 240 V phase to phase. This is still considered single phase as it's only connected to 1 of the grids 3 phases (confusingly 3 phase in the US is 208 V which is also level 2 charging).
AU neutral is wired to one end on the transformer
You will never guess which one is less expensive
TLDR;
US neutral is wired to a centre tap on the transformer, resulting in two 120 V to neutral phases 180 degrees out of phase, and 240 V phase to phase. This is still considered single phase as it's only connected to 1 of the grids 3 phases (confusingly 3 phase in the US is 208 V which is also level 2 charging).
AU neutral is wired to one end on the transformer
You will never guess which one is less expensive
.I was told the NSW Government will announce the results of the first round of fast-charging grants “soon”.
But that was quite a few weeks ago. So maybe it is “soon” in Elon-time?
Based on the draft timeline in the first prospectus, the first round results should have be been announced around August timeframe.
Perhaps finding good locations that met the government’s criteria (such as minimum 4 stalls per site with 8 stalls in high demand locations) and that also have good amenity and the electricty supply to support them, has proved to be a lot more difficult than they thought.
But that was quite a few weeks ago. So maybe it is “soon” in Elon-time?
Based on the draft timeline in the first prospectus, the first round results should have be been announced around August timeframe.
Perhaps finding good locations that met the government’s criteria (such as minimum 4 stalls per site with 8 stalls in high demand locations) and that also have good amenity and the electricty supply to support them, has proved to be a lot more difficult than they thought.
Election is 25 March- all announcements will be tightly controlledI was told the NSW Government will announce the results of the first round of fast-charging grants “soon”.
But that was quite a few weeks ago. So maybe it is “soon” in Elon-time?
Based on the draft timeline in the first prospectus, the first round results should have be been announced around August timeframe.
Perhaps finding good locations that met the government’s criteria (such as minimum 4 stalls per site with 8 stalls in high demand locations) and that also have good amenity and the electricty supply to support them, has proved to be a lot more difficult than they thought.
Looks like the results are out, assume it must have been under embargo.
Can't find anything on Govt websites though
- 500 electric vehicle chargers will be rolled out across NSW over the next two years
- working with Ampol, BP, Evie Networks, Tesla, the NRMA and Zeus Renewables to install the chargers.
- each of the 86 charging sites will contain between four and 15 charging bays
So it's the first funding win for Tesla, and I can only assume a 15 bay charger is Tesla
Zeus Renewables is presumably providing green power
zeusrenewables.com.au
Can't find anything on Govt websites though
- 500 electric vehicle chargers will be rolled out across NSW over the next two years
- working with Ampol, BP, Evie Networks, Tesla, the NRMA and Zeus Renewables to install the chargers.
- each of the 86 charging sites will contain between four and 15 charging bays
So it's the first funding win for Tesla, and I can only assume a 15 bay charger is Tesla
Zeus Renewables is presumably providing green power
Home - Zeus Renewables
Helping Create A Better World ZEUS Renewables uses modern technology including AI to constantly deliver the best solutions. We are developing, managing and creating holistic solutions for gas, wind turbine generation, photovoltaic projects, storage solutions and microgrid generation solutions...
zeusrenewables.com.au
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Map grabbed from that article for posterity.
Along the Hume looks like
Albury, Holbrook, Gundagai, Yass x2, Goulburn, Marulan
And further East, duplication at Bega, Cooma and Jindabyne
New towns (assumedly NRMA) look like Narrabri, Coolabah, Robinvale, Griffith, Molong, Forbes, Musswellbrook
Along the Hume looks like
Albury, Holbrook, Gundagai, Yass x2, Goulburn, Marulan
And further East, duplication at Bega, Cooma and Jindabyne
New towns (assumedly NRMA) look like Narrabri, Coolabah, Robinvale, Griffith, Molong, Forbes, Musswellbrook
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RichardV
Member
Robinvale is Victoria, I think you mean Euston. Twin towns.
I wouldn't assume NRMA here, another option is Tesla. They look to be doing the Sydney/Canberra to Adelaide route with Wagga Wagga and Hay Superchargers already in the planning stages. Add in Euston and then possibly
Renmark/Berri in SA. (OTR Renmark Supercharger maybe?) Then assuming they find an alternate to Gawler council in SA that is then a fairly complete Syd-Adl corridor for Tesla.
There was mention of government funding in one of the council papers with reference to Tesla Superchargers, it might have even been Griffith, so Griffith is also another potential Tesla site and one we know is also in the planning stages and a good supplement in the Syd-Adl route.
Maximillan
Member
One of the major retailers is working on exactly this, they're in the process of buying the chargers.
Yes we had covered Griffith as a likely Tesla site in a dedicated thread (and the likelihood of government funding being attached)
teslamotorsclub.com
Supercharger - Griffith, NSW
https://www.areanews.com.au/story/7812463/tesla-agrees-to-pay-rent-for-superchargers/ Can’t read it due to the paywall, but the headline gives the idea.
teslamotorsclub.com
