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I agree I do, but the interpretation that I spoke of "one" and meant to infer an aggression on you is your own
You didn't infer it and I'm not accusing you of such. You actually implied it. I inferred it. And had good reason to.
....I was simply noting that motivations change perspectives.
I've seen no one here argue otherwise.
If one's (anyone's) motivation is to just solve this for one car and then get out of Tesla, an individual lawsuit certainly can achieve that.
"And then get out of Tesla"?????? Since that is not my motivation, and I have not indicated anything of the sort, what on earth is the "motivation" in bringing this up???
If one's motivation is to buy another Tesla, then such a private resolution might not help there (as the core issue might not get solved at all)...
And then again, it just might.
in fact, with Tesla's history against customers perceived as difficult, they might even make getting that second Tesla harder.
And then they might not. Neither of us has a crystal ball. Also neither of us can predict if they may, or may not, behave the same negative way towards those whom they had reason to believe were part of a class in a class action suit.
They get pissed, fine. They don't, that's fine too. I'm willing to go either way. You may or not be. But this journey is liable to take balls.
In this case, I can't allow a fear of;
"they might get mad at me and retaliate, should I seek justice and sue them" govern whether or not I seek justice for a wrong done me now, should I be hit now.
And so the position that;
"in fact, with Tesla's history against customers perceived as difficult, they might even make getting that second Tesla harder",
is a weak one.
It suggest that we should just take it up the a$$ from them for fear that if we react to any of their wrongdoing, and have the stones to "put our name on it", as opposed to "hiding within a group" in a class action suit, that they might make buying another Tesla difficult for us.
I don't want their car bad enough to cower in fear of what they might do when/if I go to buy the next one, because I stood up,
alone if necessary, and protested how I had been treated the first time
So, my point was, motivations certainly can change depending on whether or not one just wants a resolution for the current car and out of Teslas... vs. if one wants a resolution and confidence to continue with Teslas..
No one is contesting that. However this "point" does not apply to me. And the only motivation that I see for bringing up, or "making" this point, in an exchange with me, is an attempt to associate me with it.
That tactic will result in an aggressive response, passive or otherwise, any and every time you attempt it with me. I'm like most anyone else. You poke me with a stick, and at the very least, I'll poke back. That's if I can't take it from you and hit you over the head with it.
I agree.
That said, my point is, I would prefer this to be handled in a way that maximizes the chance of this being solved for all. In that publicity helps. Class action suits can help too. Handling this in private with an individual lawsuit and restraining from publicity (which, again, is what you advocated for and which is our disagreement), I fear, would not contribute to solving this for all. Hence I would prefer not to start from that.
Sometimes our "preferences" aren't necessarily how things end up working out. Sometimes our "preferences", and proceeding in our acts upon them, result in unintended results.
Case in point, your buddy's "preference" was not to have the lawyer's show up anywhere near this. However despite his "preference", they have apparently ended up showing up, anyway.
So despite his "preference", his efforts were instrumental in attracting a group which he did not intend to attract.
Funny thing about "publicity" and how it often times works when it comes to those who, well, who..... actively seek it. I'm sure that the Kardashian sisters, Madonna, and a number of other celebrities can attest to this.
Often times when it is sought, it not only attracts those who would wish the seeker well, but too often, in this day and age, it also attracts those who would not. And sometimes the latter group can significantly outnumber the former.
That was/is my concern.
The best way, IMO to avoid attracting the attention of those would not wish us the best outcome in this matter would have been to avoid the method that you disagree with me on.
Indeed, I believe that someone else, either mentioned, or alluded to an effective method, albeit on another subject, a method which would have served the same end as "open publicity" and would have been effective. A survey of other owners of this car could have been done discretely, and without running the risk of attracting the "riff raff", "trolls" etc., that open involvement on the internet is notorious for.
We will never agree on this, and that's fine. But I won't let you or anyone else distort my position.
