[Poll] Surprised 100D only cost 3000 extra? Missed the boat?

[ggnykk]

This poll applies to both Model S and X, since I can't setup two identical poll in both forum. Let us know your comments.

 

[Dutchie]

Not in Canada. Price difference there is a whopping $7,300 which does not make sense at all.

 

[ggnykk]

Not in Canada. Price difference there is a whopping $7,300 which does not make sense at all.

I always wonder why Tesla pricing structure is so different across countries. Tax, incentive, and currency fluctuation only explained a small part of it.

 

[Karl-Heinz]

The price difference in Europe also is 7000€ (> 7000$) vs 3.000$ in the US. I am wondering if this is e.g. justified with a different free supercharging policy, not suppressing free SC in that market (same question for Canada)

 

[arubinst]

Same in Switzerland. It is 7500 CHF here (7500 US$)

 

[idealsol]

"Missed the boat"

The technology boat sails frequently

 

[theslimshadyist]

None of this applies to me but here is how I would deal with the scenario. If you travel quite a bit and rely on the SpC network, keep the 90D and the free charging. If you occasionally take out of town trips, go with the 100D.

 

[MXWing]

5 people said they got 100D and FUSC?

 

[animorph]

Don't know about bargain of the century, but I did switch my order from 90D to 100D minus FUSC and ventilated seats.

 

[Shaggy]

I see it as a $5k increase with a $2k minus for no more lifetime supercharging.

 

[MP3Mike]

I see it as a $5k increase with a $2k minus for no more lifetime supercharging.

But they didn't lower the price of the 60, 75, 90 or P100D, so why do you think they gave you a $2k discount for the lack of FUSC on the 100D?

 

[MXWing]

But they didn't lower the price of the 60, 75, 90 or P100D, so why do you think they gave you a $2k discount for the lack of FUSC on the 100D?

You are math challenged. 3k is the visible increase. 2k is the hidden increase.

Subtraction of FUSC is negative equity.

Let's make it simple.

You used to get a dozen doughnuts with sprinkles for 12 dollars. Sprinkles were valued at 2 dollars.

Now you get a dozen doughnuts for 13 dollars but you don't get sprinkles.

Did the price raise by one dollar or three?

 

[MP3Mike]

Subtraction of FUSC is negative equity.

But FUSC was never $2k, and the other models that lost FUSC didn't go down $2k, so I think you are just making that up.

 

[MXWing]

But FUSC was never $2k, and the other models that lost FUSC didn't go down $2k, so I think you are just making that up.

Answer my doughnut common core math question if you can please.

@Shaggy astutely mentioned how much the p90 to p100 "really" cost and you voted him down wrongly because you are bad at math.

 

[MXWing]

Here's another brain teaser for you Mike.

How does "free shipping" actually work?

 

[MP3Mike]

Answer my doughnut common core math question if you can please.

Someone astutely mentioned how much the p90 to p100 "really" cost and you voted them down because you are bad at math.

Show me where FUSC cost $2,000. On the original Model S 60 it cost $2,000 to activate the DC fast charging hardware and enable FUSC. Activating the DC fast charging hardware by itself, so you could use the CHAdeMO adapter, cost $1,400. So the FUSC option only cost $600 for the cars that you had to buy it for. (It was baked in to the price of almost all Teslas.) And when Tesla was reporting the cost that they were setting aside for Supercharging they listed it as $500/car.

Surely the lifetime 400kWh/year Supercharging has some value and at CA rates, $0.20/kWh, that is $80/year. So if you keep the car 5 years that is worth up to $400. So I'll give you that the current Supercharing option is valued about $200 less than the old one. Sure for some people think that FUSC is worth a lot more than $200 extra, but going back to your doughnut problem some people value sprinkles way more than others, and isn't relevant.

 

[Jeeps17]

Not in Canada. Price difference there is a whopping $7,300 which does not make sense at all.

That gets darn close to 10K when you add the taxes ... Not such a bargain up here.

 

[dragonxt]

None of the above, waiting for HUD and interior refresh. Anyone else?

 

[MXWing]

Show me where FUSC cost $2,000. On the original Model S 60 it cost $2,000 to activate the DC fast charging hardware and enable FUSC. Activating the DC fast charging hardware by itself, so you could use the CHAdeMO adapter, cost $1,400. So the FUSC option only cost $600 for the cars that you had to buy it for. (It was baked in to the price of almost all Teslas.) Surely the lifetime 400kWh/year Supercharging has some value and at CA rates, $0.20/kWh, that is $80/year. So if you keep the car 5 years that is worth up to $400. So I'll give you that the current Supercharing option is valued about $200 less than the old one. Sure for some people think that FUSC is worth a lot more than $200 extra, but going back to your doughnut problem some people value sprinkles way more than others, and isn't relevant.

The point is you voted someone down because they said they lost equity which they valued at 2000 and that was obvlivious to you in your response.

How Tesla "prices" things is irrelevant because it's calculated into the retailer pricing.

The price premium can be represented via one of two ways to the consumer.

3000 + X where X is the actual number that they spent on electricity beyond the free credits.

3000 + Y where Y is the willingness to pay from the consumer or FUSC. In @Shaggys case, Y=2000. How this is represented in the math prior to 1-15-2017. It would be like setting the cost of the base model S to Z. Z is the current price -2000. Y is mandatory and so Z + Y was the current price prior to 1-16-2017.

Z increases by 2000 but Y is removed From the car.

That's how you arrive at why Shaggy felt it was a 5k increase.

All this makes me think Tesla might sell FUSC in the future and make it a profitable option to them.

 

[ggnykk]

Surprised with so few votes so far. And so many "none of the above" vote.