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You speculate, below, Pete speculated, in the beginning, said it was the panel and now that's the gospel? What training does he have to make this claim? The way you say this it seems like no one here should have another opinion?I read here that it was reported the fire started in an electrical panel, so this talk about it being Grubers fault is not helpful.
That's what breakers do protect from shorts or circuit overloads. I spoke to my local fire marshall and learned rarely has a fire started in the panel. I have also been called by more than one investigator about this and I invited them to come here and see what we do and how. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.With the amount of power being used with a bunch of EVs plugged in, any single loose wire connection or defective breaker would be a big problem.
My dad was a firefighter for about 30 years. It's remarkable how sophisticated fire investigation has become in that time. Fire marshals and fire investigators are frequently able to pinpoint the start of the fire. If it indeed was an electrical box, they should be able to conclusively show that. Additionally, if accellerants were used or the fire was somehow started intentionally in the box, they can usually tell that too. You can bet that the insurance company is sending its own investigator to the scene to draw its own conclusions, given the value of the loss and the fact that this is the second fire. So I agree with @ML Auto. Speculating about what could have started the fire is not helpful. Waiting for actual evidence, however, is.
There are people on this forum who love Gruber and hate Medlock, and there are people who hate Gruber and love Medlock. The haters are always going to look suspiciously at the person they don't like, and the lovers are going to explain away potentially incriminating evidence. Fact is, even if they were both doing shady stuff sometimes, they both have contributed to the Roadster community and keeping vehicles on the road. We should be thankful for both Medlock and Gruber. And if the evidence shows that one of them was doing nefarious things, crucify him at that time and not before.
They cannot use this fire to value or devalue the cars, they are worth what they are worth. All regardless of the first fire and this is the second round of reckless actions at Gruber's place. Roadsters are valued on many factors, a shop fire will never be one of them.However, it may give insurance adjusters more ammo to deny FMV for owners caught up in this horrible situation.
Ironically some of them see the same things in Pete's past videos I did. Lack of safety equipment, lack of HV anything, and plenty of arrogance.Please let the professionals(fire inspectors) do their job and hopefully we can all learn and improve from this tragedy. My 2cents.
Yep, all it takes is watching some of the Weber State University videos and how they deal with HV to know that Gruber wasn't following any industry standards for performing HV work.Ironically some of them see the same things in Pete's past videos I did. Lack of safety equipment, lack of HV anything, and plenty of arrogance.
We don't have to mark sheets with vins here.. Why? Because they stay with the car they belong to.Only some of the sheets were marked as being from #666. Where did the other sheets come from?
There are plenty of companies that recycle batteries. For example Redwood Materials. I don't know that they take burned up packs, or that there is really anything much of value, or hazardous, left after they are burned up.Question I now have with this many battery packs destroyed, where or how are these disposed of? You can't put them in a land fill. Are there special sites that take this type of battery? What is the EV world going to do when in a few short years they maybe thousands of batteries that need to be disposed? GM is facing this problem with their Volt batteries right now, I think.
JB Straubel built a recycling plant in Reno NevadaQuestion I now have with this many battery packs destroyed, where or how are these disposed of? You can't put them in a land fill. Are there special sites that take this type of battery? What is the EV world going to do when in a few short years they maybe thousands of batteries that need to be disposed? GM is facing this problem with their Volt batteries right now, I think.
Yes, that is the Redwood Materials that MP3Mike mentioned.JB Straubel built a recycling plant in Reno Nevada
Agreed, to me Weber HV videos are the gold standard in dealing with HV EV batteries.Yep, all it takes is watching some of the Weber State University videos and how they deal with HV to know that Gruber wasn't following any industry standards for performing HV work.
Yep anyone with common sense uses 2x4's to prevent the sheets from falling backwards. sad I don't them in use in the videos.A few minutes and a couple of 2X4s solves that problem.
Yep, all it takes is watching some of the Weber State University videos and how they deal with HV to know that Gruber wasn't following any industry standards for performing HV work.
Wow, thank you both for the pro tip on checking out the WSU videos! Definitely going to educate myself more by watching a few of them. For example...Agreed, to me Weber HV videos are the gold standard in dealing with HV EV batteries.
Here is a PEM sent to us by Grubers about a year ago. Notice the orange board. This pem was rebuilt by us using all good parts and installed in 1165 one of my cars and driven 200 miles. It was sent back to Pete to install, they installed it and claimed it did not function. How can that be I personally drove it 200 miles. (our standard test drive for pems) I asked for it to come back to us, but when it got here it had been dropped and the PEM case was bent like a banana, destroying it. After not taking care of the client I paid to ship 1056 to us to make sure this man got his car back. Since 1056 arrived, we installed a new PEM and then discovered the car had 43 miles of range. I contacted the owner to ask what his range was and he said over 200 miles. A log pull and analysis showed the range dropped by the above amount. We started to pull the pack and found there were 2 sheets that the serial numbers that were not in order. Meaning the two sheets had a completely different set of serial numbers differing from the others in the pack. I contacted the owner and learned the pack had never been out of the car previously. I also made a video showing the bent-up pem and the missing parts. We suspected there might be some parts harvesting going on at the other shop, so before we sent it back the first time, we had marked every part in the PEM, when it came back 100% of our good parts were missing (the PEM case had the serial number on it that we sent there). PEM case was the same, however, none of the internal parts were the same. I have two cars here from there and both have missing OEM parts. I am not picking on grubers I have kept most of this quiet for a long long time.
The second video where the PEM came back destroyed is worse and equally frustrating. You see, there was and is no damage to the crate meaning the PEM was damaged before it went into the crate and Pete Refused to accept responsibility or refund the owner or us. However, I kept my word and fixed this man's PEM at no charge which cost me an entire PEM. What is good for the Roadster community is good for us. If I wanted to release all we have it would be far worse than this. I will post the second video to my youtube channel and see where it takes the investigators who have shown interest. DO I know exactly what happened, no. But I do know what parts went into the PEM and what it came back with? Yes 100%Whoa, those are some serious allegations! Let me see if I understand this correctly as there appear to be 2 separate issues: