When I was a kid we were told that the Merchandise Mart in Chicago had the most floor space. Apparently that was true when it was completed in 1930. Later they may have been referring only to commercial buildings. It is now listed as #46 among all categories, with the Pentagon #13: List of largest buildings in the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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chickensevil
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Did you see that Fremont has the 2nd largest footprint? 
But yeah, I will take 13 overall, but that 6million number is not usable space... In any case, it is a really big building! So I fully expect this battery factory to break a lot of records.
But yeah, I will take 13 overall, but that 6million number is not usable space... In any case, it is a really big building! So I fully expect this battery factory to break a lot of records.
But Stockton, population 296,000, is shaping up as a leading in-state contender, economists and business development experts say. They point to plenty of industrial-zoned property, a port that handles ocean-going vessels, major freeway access and nearby rail and airport facilities.
Having a port would make great sense for shipping battery packs to Tilburg, or China.
Jack, I hope it is there but the article also acknowledges that labor costs, taxes and restrictive laws may be a negative. This has been my contention all along that it will be a difficult decision. TM's heart may say Cali, but their head may say Reno. Personally, my only concern is that is get up and running asap.
chickensevil
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Well, since their head and heart can't get in sync I see them just saying screw it and building both factories all the way in parallel.
palmer_md
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Wow Stockton? I just moved from Stockton to Sacramento two years ago. I'm interested in working for Tesla at their battery factory, and never thought I'd hear Stockton in the mix.
That articles nothing from Tesla or anyone else that indicates Tesla is considering Stockton as a location for the Gigafactory. It simply scribes reasons why Tesla might consider that area.
Really just pure speculation.
This article has a new funny theory of how the name Project Tiger might have come up:
Lithium-Ion -> Li-Ion -> Lion -> Tiger
Tesla's Gigafactory Intrigue Builds As Speculators Bet On A Nevada Location - Forbes
By the way, I am not connected to this project.
Lithium-Ion -> Li-Ion -> Lion -> Tiger
Tesla's Gigafactory Intrigue Builds As Speculators Bet On A Nevada Location - Forbes
By the way, I am not connected to this project
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More "boots on the ground" update about potential Nevada site.
If "Project Tiger" is in fact a Tesla project, then it is located in Storey County, Nevada. This is a terrific location for receiving building permits quickly because Storey County has a reputation for doing so in the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. The center is located across a substantial range of hills from the main population center of Storey County: the Virginia City area. Thus, any property tax revenue from the industrial center benefits residents who never see the commercial activities nor deal with any traffic concerns, etc. It's a perfect environment for fast approval of building permits.
Geographic proximity to California is of course another plus, when coupled with the ability to ship batteries by rail to the Fremont factory site. A major trucking company works from the area, with mostly one-way traffic from the Port at Oakland to Nevada and an assumption of somewhat empty trucks heading back in that direction. Again, this is another plus in terms of potential transportation costs.
The Reno area is a forty-five minute drive from Lake Tahoe, with its summer recreation and winter skiing/snowboarding activity. With no income tax in Nevada, Reno has been a popular location for California retirees fleeing the high tax environment of California. The Reno area would be an attractive location to live for gigafactory employees.
Finally, lithium has been found in Northern Washoe County, the county in which Reno is located. For all these reasons, I'm placing my bet that the Reno area will either win the first gigafactory or be awarded one of the next few gigafactories to be built as the inevitable demand for Model 3 necessitates additional battery capacity. I'll be very curious to see if California lawmakers can pass sufficient measures to entice Tesla into that state instead of Neada. We may find out on Thursday.
If "Project Tiger" is in fact a Tesla project, then it is located in Storey County, Nevada. This is a terrific location for receiving building permits quickly because Storey County has a reputation for doing so in the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. The center is located across a substantial range of hills from the main population center of Storey County: the Virginia City area. Thus, any property tax revenue from the industrial center benefits residents who never see the commercial activities nor deal with any traffic concerns, etc. It's a perfect environment for fast approval of building permits.
Geographic proximity to California is of course another plus, when coupled with the ability to ship batteries by rail to the Fremont factory site. A major trucking company works from the area, with mostly one-way traffic from the Port at Oakland to Nevada and an assumption of somewhat empty trucks heading back in that direction. Again, this is another plus in terms of potential transportation costs.
The Reno area is a forty-five minute drive from Lake Tahoe, with its summer recreation and winter skiing/snowboarding activity. With no income tax in Nevada, Reno has been a popular location for California retirees fleeing the high tax environment of California. The Reno area would be an attractive location to live for gigafactory employees.
Finally, lithium has been found in Northern Washoe County, the county in which Reno is located. For all these reasons, I'm placing my bet that the Reno area will either win the first gigafactory or be awarded one of the next few gigafactories to be built as the inevitable demand for Model 3 necessitates additional battery capacity. I'll be very curious to see if California lawmakers can pass sufficient measures to entice Tesla into that state instead of Neada. We may find out on Thursday.
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This article has a new funny theory of how the name Project Tiger might have come up:
Lithium-Ion -> Li-Ion -> Lion -> Tiger
Or...just maybe....the new chemistry is a Titanium-Germanium-Radon battery.....
JRP3
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Panasonic on board as expected: http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowa...ches-gigafactory-deal-with-panasonic-jumps-2/
Zzzz...
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The energy density, the specific energy of proposed chemistry from that paper is much higher than what Tesla is currently using.
The much hyped tech from some Japanese startup is completely different story.
Here is original source
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Dea...rship-for-US-car-battery-plant?n_cid=NARAN012
Some more info on the Nevada site:
Layoffs Cost 280 Jobs, Raise More Questions About Secretive Project
Apparently the halt came after a high level inspection. So there might be something wrong with the area.
Though one thing is I am not too thrilled about the behavior of the contractor Tesla chose. Giving people promises of long term employment if they quit their jobs is not very ethical in my book
Layoffs Cost 280 Jobs, Raise More Questions About Secretive Project
Apparently the halt came after a high level inspection. So there might be something wrong with the area.
Though one thing is I am not too thrilled about the behavior of the contractor Tesla chose. Giving people promises of long term employment if they quit their jobs is not very ethical in my book
chickensevil
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so as I posted in the comments on the article:
"Given that I work for a contractor, and being awarded a "5 year" contract doesn't even mean you will get the full 5 years (you could just get 1, or you could do terrible and get kicked off the contract...) And the contracting company will tend to tell you whatever in order to get you to go. So I am more inclined to blame the contracting company more than whoever hired them *cough Tesla cough*"
"Given that I work for a contractor, and being awarded a "5 year" contract doesn't even mean you will get the full 5 years (you could just get 1, or you could do terrible and get kicked off the contract...) And the contracting company will tend to tell you whatever in order to get you to go. So I am more inclined to blame the contracting company more than whoever hired them *cough Tesla cough*"
Tuscan put it out there that their permits are ready:
Tucson to Tesla Motors: Your building permit is ready
It also says the building is going to be up to 5 million square feet, 1 story based on the permit.
Also, says here the abrupt stop in Nevada was planned and that the building will be bigger than first imagined:
Nevada awaits word Thursday on Tesla
Tucson to Tesla Motors: Your building permit is ready
It also says the building is going to be up to 5 million square feet, 1 story based on the permit.
Also, says here the abrupt stop in Nevada was planned and that the building will be bigger than first imagined:
Nevada awaits word Thursday on Tesla
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Benz
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On the Dutch Autoweek website they just mentioned that Panasonic will invest a total cumulative amount of at least $2B in the Gigafactory, instead of the earlier mentioned total cumulative amount of $1B. Are there any other reports that confirm this?
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