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Tesla Roadster Rocket Thrusters Explained By Tesla Patent

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During the annual Tesla shareholder meeting, CEO Elon Musk announced that Roadster 2020 would have a SpaceX option package that will include rocket thrusters. Later, Musk tweeted a few more details: the thrusters won’t actually combust; instead, they will expel high-pressure air to give the Tesla an extra boost of acceleration.

Industry experts and the tranche of the internet that follows Musk have been speculating and arguing about these rocket thrusters since their announcement. Will they be functional, whimsical and decorative (just there to signal your extravagance), or some combination of all of the above?

SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rockets use composite overwrapped pressure vessels (COPV). These tanks are made out of a thin metal liner wrapped in carbon fiber, and they’re fairly lightweight and a great way to store a lot of pressurized air in a very small space. This is what Tesla plans to use in the Roadster. Using COPVs in vehicles is not a new idea; some buses and trucks use them to store compressed natural gas, and fuel cell vehicles use COPVs to store hydrogen, but the gases in these tanks are used as fuel for the vehicles, not expelled as direct thrust.

Problems With Air As Thrust

When someone talks about putting an air rocket thruster on a car, the easy assumption is that these “thrusters” would be used for thrust by ejecting air and propelling the car. The experts have brought up many problems that this could cause:



To accelerate a vehicle in the weight category of the new Tesla Roadster, the air would need to be expelled at super high speeds. Some have calculated that the air would need to exit at more than 1,500 mph to accelerate the Roadster. Using this at a stoplight could propel debris into the windshield of another car or a nearby pedestrian. If implemented this way, this potential hazard could prevent the thrusters from being street legal.

Expelling air at high speeds would be exceptionally loud.

Repressurizing the tank with the large volumes of air this would use a lot of energy from the battery pack.



Sam Abuelsamid, a senior research analyst at Navigant, an advisory firm for the auto industry, told The Verge, “It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of.”

Perhaps Tesla engineers have discovered ways to avoid all of these issues or perhaps they have something else in mind. Patent number 9,272,595 B2, issued to Tesla, might give us a hint to the real intentions that Tesla has for these “rocket thrusters.”

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Figure 5 of Tesla’s Patent – a radiator employing a passive air bleed device

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Figure 7 of Tesla’s Patent – a drive unit for an electric vehicle incorporating an external passive air bleed device



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The patent is titled “Passive air bleed for improved cooling systems.” Have you ever used a can of air spray to clean your keyboard or blow dust out of your computer? If you have, you may have noticed that the can gets cold and might even frost over. The can gets cold due to a thermodynamics property known as adiabatic cooling. A gas, initially at high pressure, cools significantly when that pressure is released. Tesla’s patent uses this property to make a better cooling system.

Hot Lap, Overheating At The Track

Tesla does not make slow cars. They are known for their impressive zero to 60 and quarter-mile times. The performance demands of a hot lap are, however, very different from those of a 0-60.

When attempting a hot lap in a Model S, Car and Driver found multiple problems with the car. At the Virginia International Raceway, the Model S went into reduced power mode in the middle of its first hot lap. In the Tesla racing community, it is common knowledge that the Model S has issues on extended runs at the race track. One of the more well-known examples was when a Model S was unable to maintain full power through the mountainous “The Green Hell” Nordschleife section of the Nürburgring.

Unlike the Model S, the new Roadster will be a track car. It will be in the hypercar performance range. It will need better cooling of the high-power electronics and batteries.

Would Adiabatic Cooling Work?

Now that we know the problem the Roadster designers are trying to solve, let’s look at this potential solution and see how it fits with Musk’s rocket thrusters tweet.

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The tweet says it will improve acceleration, top speed, braking, and cornering. Certainly, all of these things rely upon cooling. With acceleration and sustained top speed, the high voltage systems and batteries need to be cooled to prevent power reduction. With braking, the brake pads need to be cooled. In normal driving, an EV can use regenerative braking; this is not the case at the track. Hard braking when heading into a turn requires the friction brakes. Corner after corner can take its toll and really heat the brakes.

Cooling With a Side of Downforce

If cooling, not thrust, really is the primary function, these thrusters would not, necessarily, be on the back of the car. But once you have them, they can supply some thrust, so how could it best be utilized? Since cornering and acceleration require traction, the most likely place to put them is over the tires. Here, a small amount of downforce could affect performance significantly. Allowing the tires to stick to the road allows the torque of the electric motors to be used to its fullest.

How this could help allow a Tesla to fly, I’m not sure, maybe a couple of the thrusters will point down. Maybe Musk meant figuratively flying, as in going fast. Maybe he was actually just joking. Musk did say there would be ten of the thrusters. Perhaps two over each wheel and two pointing at the ground. If there are some pointing at the ground, I just hope the button to activate the fly feature on the touchscreen looks like this:

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500 points to the first commenter to identify this.

TMC Member Patrick0101 is a solar and electric vehicle advocate who blogs at Cars With Cords

 
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The op must be referring to the Speed Racer X Speed Racer X - Wikipedia from Mach Five - Wikipedia

as the Speed Racer X has

Button A, Aero Jack (エアロジャッキ Earojakki): Similar to the Auto-Jacks, but uses compressed air and rocket thrusters to propel the car into the air, rather than actual metal jacks (making "Aero Jack" a bit of a misnomer). Unlike the original series, this can only be used to make the car jump. This function actually appears in the original manga replacing the original Auto Jacks.
 
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They can take advantage of temp changes to some extent but that's clearly not the main goal.
And ofc the article ignores the fact that heat is generated when compressing the air.
Thermal management is the biggest issue with the system.
 
I know Elon is prone to hyperbole (among other hyper-things), but this patent is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way away from any kind of "thruster" system for him to be talking about. Not even as some kind of "EV turbo cooler" that increases "thrust" thus being a "thruster".

An air bleed device for a cooling system is not there to give a boost in performance. It's to let the damn air bubbles out of the system! Unless you consider a non-functioning coolant system normal and a functioning one "improved performance".

A passive air bleed device would mean you wouldn't have to manually bleed the system after filling it - at least that's what I assume they mean. A system that automatically manages to get the bubbles to the highest point (where the resevoir would be).

It's normal to need to bleed the coolant on just about any car after changing it and sometimes after topping it off (if it somehow got real low on coolant). It's also common to need to bleed the brakes if they got too low on brake fluid (and sometimes when changing the brake fluid out entirely). Hydraulic power steering systems also can need to be bled sometimes.

Really, any kind of hydrualic system needs to be bled to remove trapped air from it, as so coolant systems. Trapped air reduces the performance of both, but for different reasons. For hydraulic systems, it compresses easily, so it affects the performance in terms of the ability to transmit power from one end to the other. For coolant systems, air bubbles don't carry heat effectively and can lead to hot spots and possible engine damage.

edit: Looking up the actual patent listed ... US9272595B2 - Controlling a compressor for air suspension of electric vehicle - Google Patents

Has nothing to do with any of this. It's related to air suspension!

Looks like the original article that was copy pasted to TMC from Cars With Cords: Tesla Roadster Rocket Thrusters Explained By Tesla Patent was making things up entirely.

edit 2: This looks like the intended patent US20180117498A1 - Passive air bleed for improved cooling systems - Google Patents

And yeah, it's just an air separator to remove air from the working fluid
 
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This has to be a joke. Musk is prone to them and they can be amusing. Sometimes, though, he just doesn't know when to quit, as with his Spaceballs-inspired flamethrowers.

Anybody who knows basic physics knows how ridiculously inefficient it is to propel a car with rocket engines. It's something you do only when you need acceleration at the expense of everything else. And I do mean everything: energy efficiency, endurance, safety, reliability, cost, noise, you name it.
 
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They can take advantage of temp changes to some extent but that's clearly not the main goal.
And ofc the article ignores the fact that heat is generated when compressing the air.
Thermal management is the biggest issue with the system.
Just think intercooler after the turbo to cool the compressed air so it lowers the temperature before it gets stored. This system only operates on partial load, it doesn't contribute to heat soak in the motors or battery pack since they can place the intercooler anywhere.
 
Just think intercooler after the turbo to cool the compressed air so it lowers the temperature before it gets stored. This system only operates on partial load, it doesn't contribute to heat soak in the motors or battery pack since they can place the intercooler anywhere.

The Space X COPV is some 1.6m tall and 0.60m wide and replaces the rear seats. The max pressure it ca take is some 5500PSi so they need a much more serious compressor than a turbocharger.
 
Like Elon said, Roadster is using SpaceX's cold gas thrusters. These are powerful enough to maneuver 30-ton rocket with ease. BFR will also use these thrusters for maneuvering. Therefore they are providing Sirius impulse for lightweight Roadster! It is Sirius impulse!

SpaceX does not hold any patents, but it is more or less guaranteed that SpaceX tech about 100 km above the rest of the aviation industry. Therefore, this is not exactly old tech but it is very cutting edge technology that was never before available for the usage in a car.

This is something that Roadster could pull something like 5 g accelerations. Cornering requires precise computer control or else car literally flies away from the road. It is literally something, that if Tesla can make computer algorithms safe and accurate enough, Roadster could easily take-off and fly.

In the future, perhaps Roadster could fly as long as it has power in the battery!