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none of those other suppliers are going to scale as fast and drop prices quickly enough. Eventually, Tesla will cut them loose when they have cell production ready in USA, Europe, and China.

Tesla won't be able to do that in the reality of rapidly increasing cell usage. Plus it is not the way capital works. Tesla gives purchase commitments ahead of large third party investments in cell production. Tesla isn't ordering cells out of a catalog.

Chinese investment is the obvious way to rapidly increase cell availability.
 
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IV has plummeted as you would expect.

It was over 150% (!!) yesterday. C650 is now at 70%.

MSFT (which had ER yesterday), for eg., call (170) is at 27% for comparison.

I think it was the FCF that caused the rally. Putting nearly a billion in the coffers is going to really help fuel growth, and kills the argument of needing to go back to the markets to fuel that growth.

I've been saying for sometime, there are two things Tesla had to prove.
- Sustainable margin in Q4
- Decent demand/deliveries in Q1 '20

The first one has been proven now. So, those institutions waiting to make sure margin improvement is sustainable are buying.
 
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Thoughts on what Tesla will announce on battery day in April & how Tesla’s future battery strategy will come together:
  • Use cell supply from Panasonic/LG/CATL to bridge to ramp of in-house cell production (possibly towards ~90GWh contracted from these three suppliers).
  • Announce that in-house cell production has just started (Apr-20) on a small scale (likely for Semi or Plaid Model S), with plans to ramp significantly in 2021 (potentially for all future new capacity from 2021).
  • Announce a roadmap to reach 2TWh of annual in-house battery cell+module+pack production capacity by 2030. Enough for ~20 million annual EV sales and ~750GWH annual stationary battery storage sales.

Possible relatively short term technology breakthroughs:
  • Tesla will apply agile development to its in-house cell manufacturing as it does everything else - so flexibility for rapid upgrades and iterations of the process to accelerate cost experience curves.
  • Use Maxwell dry electrode tech to reduce manufacturing cost and footprint.
  • Maxwell dry electrode tech leads to better physical properties, in particular allowing thicker cathodes (higher cathode % per cell) & possibly new chemistries.
  • Move to use of single crystal cathodes - possibly helped by Maxwell process/other in-house R&D. This was a big part of the 1 million mile cells tested by Dahn.
  • Use very carefully selected electrolyte additives following Dahn research.
  • Highly automated manufacturing process to reduce staffing bottlenecks to production ramp.
  • Tesla Hibar designs systems for electrolyte insertion during the cell manufacturing process.
  • Combine all this with further in-house developed cell IP and possibly third party licensed tech. (Remember there are many steps in cell manufacturing and Maxwell/Hibar are only part of this)
  • Reduce cathode kg per kWh to reduce raw material cost
  • Next generation in-house module/pack lines for continued reduced cost & capex.
  • Build a huge factory to build in-house cell/pack manufacturing equipment at scale (the machine that builds the machine that builds the machine) - significantly reducing capex per GWh capacity

Possible Longer term breakthroughs:
  • Integrated cell & pack design & manufacturing process to reduce footprint & cost.
  • Dahn lithium metal anode allows for much thinner anode, higher energy density & longer electrode life (at the expense of shorter electrolyte life).
  • Replaceable electrolyte design to extend lithium metal anode battery life. Develop Hibar machines for easy electrolyte replacement in service centres.
  • Dahn research is used to eliminate cobalt from the cathode leaving just Nickel Aluminium or Nickel Manganese.
Note these are all just possibilities (based on acquisitions, press leaks, published scientific papers, patents & speculation):
These various steps & incremental improvements may or may not be introduced once they have been proven ready for affordable mass manufacturing.

Some things I thing would help accelerate and de-risk Tesla’s battery cell ramp plans:
  • Buy Panasonic’s GF1 business for cell manufacturing employee experience (who can be used to train new employees on Tesla’s cell lines) and other cell IP.
  • Buy/build Cathode powder manufacturing expertise (currently Panasonic mostly uses Sumitomo). Cathode powder is likely ~20% premium to its raw material constituents & the process can be key to cell properties.
  • Buy Nickel Sulphate & lithium carbonate/hydroxide processor expertise - this will be a huge % of cell cost & Tesla’s plans require ~10x the current Nickel sulphate & Lithium market size.
  • Buy other suppliers in the cell manufacturing chain
Tesla cannot trust & rely on third parties to deliver such critical components of its business plan, particularly when the metals market leaders do not believe in an EV transition as aggressive as Tesla is targeting.

Didn't you already post about how bringing enough Nickel sulphate online being the crux to Tesla achieving its lofty battery production aspirations? I do not necessarily want to have a whole discussion about this here, but would you post a link to where you mentioned this before. Thanks
 
The SP today seems weirdly stable. Hasn't really left the low/mid +$60's range since close yesterday besides immediately near opening. I'd have thought that with the SP jump forcing some shorts to cover or face margin calls, and the good ER soothing the fears of investors, it'd have done a steady climb. Or, alternatively, some MM trying to squish it down to not get margin called later.
 
  • Announce a roadmap to reach 2TWh of annual in-house battery cell+module+pack production capacity by 2030. Enough for ~20 million annual EV sales and ~750GWH annual stationary battery storage sales.

In case people are wondering, that would equate to an approx. 45% per year growth rate. Achievable, and thus that is the right ballpark for long range planning.

Have you or anyone done a calculation (making assumptions, of course), how much metal raw materials this would require? Right now, even Tesla is a small fraction of current worldwide nickle production, but at year 2030 levels, probably not small anymore.
 
Thoughts on what Tesla will announce on battery day in April & how Tesla’s future battery strategy will come together:
  • Use cell supply from Panasonic/LG/CATL to bridge to ramp of in-house cell production (possibly towards ~90GWh contracted from these three suppliers).
  • Announce that in-house cell production has just started (Apr-20) on a small scale (likely for Semi or Plaid Model S), with plans to ramp significantly in 2021 (potentially for all future new capacity from 2021).
  • Announce a roadmap to reach 2TWh of annual in-house battery cell+module+pack production capacity by 2030. Enough for ~20 million annual EV sales and ~750GWH annual stationary battery storage sales.

Possible relatively short term technology breakthroughs:
  • Tesla will apply agile development to its in-house cell manufacturing as it does everything else - so flexibility for rapid upgrades and iterations of the process to accelerate cost experience curves.
  • Use Maxwell dry electrode tech to reduce manufacturing cost and footprint.
  • Maxwell dry electrode tech leads to better physical properties, in particular allowing thicker cathodes (higher cathode % per cell) & possibly new chemistries.
  • Move to use of single crystal cathodes - possibly helped by Maxwell process/other in-house R&D. This was a big part of the 1 million mile cells tested by Dahn.
  • Use very carefully selected electrolyte additives following Dahn research.
  • Highly automated manufacturing process to reduce staffing bottlenecks to production ramp.
  • Tesla Hibar designs systems for electrolyte insertion during the cell manufacturing process.
  • Combine all this with further in-house developed cell IP and possibly third party licensed tech. (Remember there are many steps in cell manufacturing and Maxwell/Hibar are only part of this)
  • Reduce cathode kg per kWh to reduce raw material cost
  • Next generation in-house module/pack lines for continued reduced cost & capex.
  • Build a huge factory to build in-house cell/pack manufacturing equipment at scale (the machine that builds the machine that builds the machine) - significantly reducing capex per GWh capacity

Possible Longer term breakthroughs:
  • Integrated cell & pack design & manufacturing process to reduce footprint & cost.
  • Dahn lithium metal anode allows for much thinner anode, higher energy density & longer electrode life (at the expense of shorter electrolyte life).
  • Replaceable electrolyte design to extend lithium metal anode battery life. Develop Hibar machines for easy electrolyte replacement in service centres.
  • Dahn research is used to eliminate cobalt from the cathode leaving just Nickel Aluminium or Nickel Manganese.
Note these are all just possibilities (based on acquisitions, press leaks, published scientific papers, patents & speculation):
These various steps & incremental improvements may or may not be introduced once they have been proven ready for affordable mass manufacturing.

Some things I thing would help accelerate and de-risk Tesla’s battery cell ramp plans:
  • Buy Panasonic’s GF1 business for cell manufacturing employee experience (who can be used to train new employees on Tesla’s cell lines) and other cell IP.
  • Buy/build Cathode powder manufacturing expertise (currently Panasonic mostly uses Sumitomo). Cathode powder is likely ~20% premium to its raw material constituents & the process can be key to cell properties.
  • Buy Nickel Sulphate & lithium carbonate/hydroxide processor expertise - this will be a huge % of cell cost & Tesla’s plans require ~10x the current Nickel sulphate & Lithium market size.
  • Buy other suppliers in the cell manufacturing chain
Tesla cannot trust & rely on third parties to deliver such critical components of its business plan, particularly when the metals market leaders do not believe in an EV transition as aggressive as Tesla is targeting.

Along with several others, you're an absolute jewel RF, thanks for all the effort you make to share your thoughts!
 
The SP today seems weirdly stable. Hasn't really left the low/mid +$60's range since close yesterday besides immediately near opening. I'd have thought that with the SP jump forcing some shorts to cover or face margin calls, and the good ER soothing the fears of investors, it'd have done a steady climb. Or, alternatively, some MM trying to squish it down to not get margin called later.
Actually the SP has been volatile. But when you loo at the graph - because of the large change - it looks flat.

SP started at 630, went down to 620 and climbed to 640 soon after opening. Then it went to 645, down to 640 then up to 650 and then down to 635 and now back to 645.

After last ER, SP was within $15 range (289 to 305).
 
The SP today seems weirdly stable. Hasn't really left the low/mid +$60's range since close yesterday besides immediately near opening. I'd have thought that with the SP jump forcing some shorts to cover or face margin calls, and the good ER soothing the fears of investors, it'd have done a steady climb. Or, alternatively, some MM trying to squish it down to not get margin called later.
I sat down at my computer before market close getting ready to have an intense day of "do I sell, when do I sell this?" etc.

The twitter shorts are doing exactly the same as they always have been. Whining about the news, gloating about the coronavirus, creating charts to prove fwaud. I don't even think they have money on the line anymore. Seems like they just want revenge for what they lost.
 
The SP today seems weirdly stable. Hasn't really left the low/mid +$60's range since close yesterday besides immediately near opening. I'd have thought that with the SP jump forcing some shorts to cover or face margin calls, and the good ER soothing the fears of investors, it'd have done a steady climb. Or, alternatively, some MM trying to squish it down to not get margin called later.

See this (possible) explanation.

If the macro environment is stable and there's no major Tesla news I'd expect there to be about 500k-1m shares traded after-hours, mostly from margin calls caused by the all-time-high closing price that is ~10% above the previous all-time-high.

The resulting upward price pressure might be capped or maybe it pushes up the price: by tomorrow morning almost all theta will leave options and a lot of options will be rolled over, so options market-makers/writers might have fewer incentives to keep the price stable.