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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I fail to see why anyone would be happy or content with today's action. What crap-tacular day of trading. I'm just loving whatching TSLA be spoofed into obliviion as the macros do an end of close rally
Especially when it's crystal clear as to why TSLA is trading like it is today. And it's also why there's zero reason to be excited about days like yesterday. Stock is clearly still in the hands of MM's.
I fail to see why anyone would be happy or content with today's action. What crap-tacular day of trading. I'm just loving whatching TSLA be spoofed into obliviion as the macros do an end of close rally
Especially when it's crystal clear as to why TSLA is trading like it is today. And it's also why there's zero reason to be excited about days like yesterday. Stock is clearly still in the hands of MM's.
I tend to agree. Tesla should have performed much better today than it did given the rest of the market's rise. Doesn't matter long term with record quarters coming our way over the next few years, but it's still disheartening to see TSLA perform so meekly compared to the macros on good days.
ToTheStars
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5 million shares (~9%) traded in the final minute of the day. That does seem off to me.I fail to see why anyone would be happy or content with today's action. What crap-tacular day of trading. I'm just loving whatching TSLA be spoofed into obliviion as the macros do an end of close rally
Especially when it's crystal clear as to why TSLA is trading like it is today. And it's also why there's zero reason to be excited about days like yesterday. Stock is clearly still in the hands of MM's.
Yet here on TMC, folks who quickly discount Tesla rumors have no trouble buying into and repeating very similar rumors around Apple's iPhone demand collapsing.
People find it easy to believe things which match their world view. Everyone should think really hard about what they re-broadcast. Who is talking? What are their motivations? Who is funding them? Without knowing, who is making a comment, it is very easy to be led down a rabbit hole.
I had to give up on a few Tesla YouTubers and Podcasters because they don't seem to have good filters for what they broadcast. It's not that they are themselves trying to dis-inform, or are trying to be biased, they just don't bother trying to check their pre-conceived notions.
Sunday, I would think. Usually lately it's been on the 2nd, even if that's a weekend.
StapleGun
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Joe Gebbia (Airbnb co-founder) appointed to Tesla's board.
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Eh I'm annoyed as hell about how TSLA gets pushed around simply due to the options markets, but it's just the way it is until we get actual data that fundamentally makes TSLA cheaper on a valuation model which then forces the stock higher..............and then we get to enjoy the stock being pushed around by options at that new/higher valuation level
.Unless P/D numbers come in as a significant beat (I'd say higher than 370k), the stock might still be under the control of MM's leading into earnings. However that's when I expect a step up in "base" valuation for Tesla and opens up a new/higher range where MM's will play with it. I still think the lows TSLA hit back in June (the TTM P/E & Forward P/E lows) are the "baseline" in terms of how institutional investors view TSLA to be "cheap" or "attractive".
I think this is an important thing to point out because TSLA actually bottomed before the macro's bottomed and then refused to go any lower even when the macro's went lower. So TSLA's TTM P/E hit a low of 81 back in June. If Tesla does something like 1.35 GAAP EPS for Q3, at 300/share, guess where TSLA TTM P/E would be at?........................81
Could Wall St try to keep TSLA pinned to that TTM PE of 81 metric for all of Q3? Sure, they could. But if I use conservative GAAP EPS for Q4, at 300/share, TSLA's TTM P/E drops to 50-55. If TSLA prints the earnings and deliveries I think they will, then TTM PE drops into the 40's. I think MM's won't put themselves in that situation because that makes options trading entirely one sided and the volume on Puts would disappear because everyone and their mom knows the direction of the stock quarter after quarter if the stock is already at it's(or well below its) baseline valuation metrics.
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I very much wish I could answer in the affirmative to this question.
willow_hiller
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That to me would be a bombshell. But it's not going to happen. Haven't seen nearly enough anecdotal evidence of Semi's being made in those numbers. From what I've seen, I'd guess there's not even 100 Semi's out there yet.
But even if Tesla just announced that they will deliver 1,000 Semi's in Q4, it would still be a bombshell announcement.
It would be cool if Tesla included figures other than S3XY on the P&D report... I'm thinking solar, powerwalls, megapacks, etc. but I guess also insurance subscribers and any other similar sales metrics.
I was actually just talking to my head of school this morning in carpool. He was going on and on about the battery replacement, cost, yada yada yada...So I actually flipped it on his head and said the great thing about the car is that the drivetrain last a million miles and IF I ever needed to get a new battery, then that's a pretty cheap "new" car. The power the engineering of the car holds IS the new metric....which leads to less product being thrown away, etc...
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