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Mass rideshare has not impacted car ownership at all according to all published studies. NYC car ownership was always high and has increased.The problem is that most don't see this as viable and until it's proven that it can be (by people seeing many do this regularly) there won't be a mass shift.
Now I'm not, nor have I ever said this can't/won't be the future, but 10-20 years down the road, maybe.
Mass rideshare has reduced car owner ship in the biggest cities from what people have posted here. People in places like NYC ownership has increased.
See obviously European. Way too level headed.Some meta debate about Elon being wrong:
There are many ways to be wrong.
There is being wrong by disagreeing with OP on some philosophical point. Imo that doesn't make Elon wrong, he just has a different view.
Then there is being wrong about facts. Community notes will correct these, this is seldom the case, but it happens.
Then there is making predictions that turns out to be incorrect. Elon likes to play it a lot so he has often been right and often wrong. Here it's easy to have bias, if you like Elon you will remember all the times he was right, if you dislike Elon you will remember all the times he was wrong. Everyone making predictions is wrong about the future sometimes, the only way to not be wrong is to not play the game. But the only way to win this game is to play it. Imo if you are into predictions look into this community and read Superforecasting. Elon often uses predictions as a way to lead the company, often knowing it's likely he will be wrong, willingly being wrong as a tool to make the workers work harder in the desired direction.
Then there is making wrong decisions. With fog of war you have to separate what turned out to be wrong and what was wrong given the amount of information at the time. Like in poker, sometimes you will call with a strong hand but still lose, that doesn't make the call wrong.
Then there is having the wrong implementation. Do the right action, but do it in a wrong way. Bet your strong hand, but your body language has tells and nobody wants to call your bet.
Then there is having the wrong attitude. Doing the right thing, but not convincing the team to play along. Companies are a team effort.
Etc.
TLDR: when you say "Elon is/was wrong", try to refine the statement.
Mass rideshare has not impacted car ownership at all according to all published studies. NYC car ownership was always high and has increased.
For people in suburbs with no parking prices and free and readily available parking everywhere the pressure to move to TaaS is just not there. Folks in NYC will use Uber just to not move the car out of the garage.
Regarding methane, cow farts has no impact if the number of cows remain constant. It is an opportunity however.Musk called somebody a violent criminal in public when there was no such evidence. Then he apologized. Then he _repeated_ the insult in public.
Based on logic?
He once tweeted that methane really isn't that bad for the climate.
Based on Science?
Musk got suckered into being part of a group that paid $42B for Twitter.
Based on logic or science?
I don't know how many times he has to act rashly on emotion or make ignorant statements for people to accept that he doesn't run on logic or science.
What I find shocking is that Canada had a separate SC Team.
Some interesting info here, even if out of context. The timeline in particular.
Tesla retreats from next-generation ‘gigacasting’ manufacturing process
Tesla has backed away from an ambitious plan for innovations in gigacasting, its pioneering manufacturing process, according to two sources familiar with the matter, in another sign that the electric-vehicle maker is retrenching amid falling sales and rising competition. Tesla has been a leader...www.yahoo.com
Well...don't read into it too much or a lot as you wish. He fired 10% of staff and his ad team. Everyone thought ad team sucked. No biggee. He knows he has SC issues. He takes it to China and lays off after announcing big deal in China. It washed. If he had done that before...could have tanked stock quite a bit.I agree with what a lot of other people have said:
It helps to hear factual criticism in order to consider that the investing case still remains the same as it was.
But your suggestion above does not help me to take you serious.
I would think it a requirement. You have to do paperwork locally, have an understanding of local rules and regs. It's not likely you get that remotely.What I find shocking is that Canada had a separate SC Team.
Does every country have their team then?
The problem is that most don't see this as viable and until it's proven that it can be (by people seeing many do this regularly) there won't be a mass shift.
Now I'm not, nor have I ever said this can't/won't be the future, but 10-20 years down the road, maybe.
Mass rideshare has reduced car owner ship in the biggest cities from what people have posted here. People in places like NYC ownership has increased.
I would think it a requirement. You have to do paperwork locally, have an understanding of local rules and regs. It's not likely you get that remotely.
Yes. And RT will be a competitor to that (one that will have to win market share with incredibly low pricing, reliability, and availability), but the idea that people will just stop buying cars or that there will be a shift to more people not buying cars is an extreme LONG term concept.But they still use Uber.
Yes to keep from using parking or when drinking. But trips to countryside, no. Shopping in NJ? No, visiting friends in CT, no, vacation in Maine, no. NYC is a special case. They have always owned cars and used taxis and public transport to move around in the city. That has not changed, taxis become Uber. Pandemic goosed Uber rides business. It also is not used by suburbanites to travel back and forth into NYC. They drive. Uber hasn't really touched commuters, too expensive and they already own vehicles and Uber can only take 1 person in and out of the city in a commuting window. It's why TaaS is not, my prediction, able to impact either car ownership nor city congestion. Possible in some places to make 2 trips but that's not much of an impact.But they still use Uber.
So, a pivot toward a vehicle with two castings, offering the flexibility to offer several models with a variety of wheelbases from the same two castings is considered a "retreat" is it?
Whatta bunch of yahoos.
Do you really believe a shift from owning a personal car to just hailing a ride would be comparable to going from a regular cell phone to a smart phone?It will be a lot like how we slogged through those many decades in order to transition to smart phones then?
Once something makes most people's life easier and more enjoyable it is very likely to result in a faster shift than most would have expected. Add in something that makes them safer too and it might amplify this effect.
FSD has a long way to go to match up how people use cars day to day.
Say you decide to run out to get shopping done. People expect to be driving along and say hey lets grab a drink at Starbucks on way to Costco. Done with Costco, well they didnt have X, lets stop at traditional grocery store on way home. Hey while were out lets grab lunch. Oh need some soil for gardening at Home Depot.
When will Robotaxi service be ready for that. Right now assuming enough cars deployed.
You 1st get a robotaxi to Starbucks. Get out get your drink.
Call for another robotaxi to go to Costco. Get out and shop.
Call for another robotaxi to go to Trader Joes. It comes load up stuff from Costco.
Go to Trader Joes. Unload stuff from Costco. Where do I put it? Shop at Trader Joes.
Call for another robotaxi. Load stuff from Costco and Trader Joes.
Go to lunch joint. What do do with stuff.
Call for another robotaxi to go to Home Deport. What to do with stuff?
Call for another robotaxi to go home after loading all stuff.
This is a pretty typical run weekend errands for lots of people.