using M3P whilst MY in for repairs

[The_Cable_Guy]

i woud hardly say the back of the 3 is small.

 

[Adopado]

2018 plate

Well that's strange because the first LHD Model 3s were only delivered to the UK in summer of 2019 ... there were none here in 2018.

 

[Adopado]

It's not really an especially controversial point that in general the auto industry has conditioned us to prefer larger vehicles than we need, often through paranoia that we will somehow be safer, and that elevated driving position will save us.

Yes, the only time the size and elevated position works for you in accidents is if you have a giant SUV and you demolish an old style Mini and its occupants, whilst you can walk away ... once everyone has a huge car it becomes an even distribution of energy so all bets are off in terms of who comes out best.

 

[Peteski]

Kinda deliberately avoiding the efficiency point there. Model 3 is lighter so less emissions from manufacture, and more efficient so less emissions from making the electricity (yes you could have solar, but not all year round).

It's not really an especially controversial point that in general the auto industry has conditioned us to prefer larger vehicles than we need, often through paranoia that we will somehow be safer, and that elevated driving position will save us.

The reason I prefer the Y is simply because it has a hatchback, which makes the load space far more versatile. The elevated driving position is also more comfortable as a daily driver. Owning both I can't say I've noticed the difference in efficiency. Our MX on the other hand was far worse in this respect.

 

[Peteski]

Honestly when you realise how quickly you are hustling a 3ton+ 2 meter wide car down a road shared by tractors, horses, cyclists, its quite humbling, especially when you realise the car isnt even bothered by hitting pot holes, negative camber and you aren't even using 50% throttle.

Am not one for mandatory/automated speed limits but the speed of all of these things is mind boggling. There were some posts on here before about not been able to hit 0-60 in 3.5 seconds when it's the middle of winter on UK roads......The 'performance' EVs have made available for all really is crazy.

Before buying our MX 75D I tested a P100D. While the acceleration of the P100D was extreme, it just didn't match the rest of the huge chassis. Heavy braking in particular was scary. It's basically a bus with supercar acceleration, not a great combination. The lowly 75D could still hit 60 mph in 4.9 secs, about 0.5 sec quicker than our classic '80s Porsche 911! The smaller battery was also nearly 200 kg lighter, so it actually handled slightly better than the performance variant. I thought the power of the 75D was well matched to the chassis, possibly still a bit much at times for it to comfortably cope with.

 

[Peteski]

I must admit I don't understand why so many people want a faster, smaller car, and go on about 'handling' when 99% of people will never go near a track or get close the performance envelope of a 60 single motor Model S .

Frankly the speed at which even our 'slow' 75D X can carry into corners on a B road is just mad for use on public roads, and the one time I tried to even use 75% the performance of a P85D S on a B road I nearly ended up in a hedge.

Let's get real here, the performance of the slowest Tesla on sale today is the equivalent of 'Super cars' from the 1980s. The grip level offered by morden tyres and suspension means if you have actually experience understeer in any Tesla you really are going too fast on a public road.

Don't even get me started on the TC system on these cars, any road condition, any chamber, any temperature you can floor the throttle and the most 'drama' you will get is some flashing yellow lights followed by been catapulted into the distance with zero realisation of how little grip or actual driving skill you have! Anyone who's owned and driven a RWD combustion car will know what am talking about, does that bush look 'softer' than the other one was often my thought process when even thinking about going WOT in my old 400bhp BMW in anything but perfectly smooth tarmac, in the dry and having the steering wheel dead centre.

I use to love speed, but EVs have numbed it to a point where any 'excitement' from going fast on public roads I have to seek on my pedal bikes. These things are all simply TOO GOOD. You no longer need any skill to deploy 300,400,500 bhp in any road conditions, by the time you actually start to loss grip you are traveling at crazy speeds that really should see your licence been taken away. Its madness I tell you .

So my views of speed have been competly redefined by EVs. These days I much prefer comfort and space in a car, it could be am just getting old....but Strava tells me I hit 41mph on my pedal bike this week whilst hitting a peak HR of nearly 190bpm all during my commute to work, so my 'need' for speed is still there, its just all achieved at a much more sensible levels of speed. Though a crash at 40mph on a pedal bike would be substantially more painful than any crash I've in a car of any kind .

Totally agree with all this. I get my adrenaline from bikes (mountain and road) and skis these days. Tesla have more or less normalised power in road cars. BT (Before Tesla) our daily driver would be typically a 2-3L turbo-diesel with 150-200 hp accessed by 6 gears and a laggy throttle pedal and we would have an additional sportscar (usually a Porsche 911 of some vintage) for weekend fun. Now we just have a pair of Teslas!