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For both air and sea there are quite a few other issues to consider:
-regeneration from capturing turbulence, using wing flex for airplanes, wave modulation in ships;
- complete restructuring of airplane temperature management, i.e. at altitude no more turbine heat capture for cabin temperature management;
-new approaches to inflight deicing;
-new approaches to all operational systems in both ships and airplanes.
-Totally radical approach to regulation (FWIW existing regulations for aircraft and pilots are established in terms of engine type) even imagining an electric aircraft forces everything to change.
There's much, much more.
A close friend of mine is working on a the aircraft solution. A decade in they're making progress but there are many technological problems to solve.
Battery advances are actually less difficult to solve than are a host of other issues, not all of which are even close to complete definition much less solving.
- some examples:
. aerodynamic advantages are very substantial when eliminating engine weight and drag;
. especially long distance, fuel weight can be in excess of useful load.
. Boeing 787-900 one of the most fuel efficient long range large airplanes today, must carry about 50% of useful load in fuel for a typical nine hour flight (I actually flight planned for GIG-MIA because I've memorized the data, having flown it regularly. I hold an Airline Transport Pilot rating and used flight planning software for the purpose)

Those facts explain why Airbus makes large investments in research and experimental airplanes, it also explains why the first commercial ones will be short range commuter airplanes. Above all that is why Tesla, to date, is concentrating on other more mature alternatives.

Frankly the impediments are the same for aircraft as they have been for cars and trucks, which is that the established makers all want to put batteries in an existing product and expanse that to work. As Tesla repeatedly has proven and just has again with Semi, build for purpose is the only solution.

Tesla, as we often note, has huge potential addressable markets in many areas. The Limiting Factor, as Elon says so often, is finding enough qualified engineers. As we so often point out, even within only cars Tesla has only scratched the surface, and trucks even less, energy impeded by raw materials shortages. And, in all of them, there are major issues in scaling o support.

This post is primarily to suggest that it is quite academic, at best, to discuss new product categories since the present ones are so replete with opportunity. That said, we also know that our CEO always is attacking new topics. Since there's already SpaceX, The Boring Company, Neuralink, Starlink and 'a bluebird that is not a bus company or ancient Datsun' it may be unwise to suggest promoting expansion of existing Tesla products to conquer market share for Tesla like the existing market share of SpaceX.
 
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Hydrogen is simply not energy dense enough. A simple graph to show how much volume it takes:

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This is the main reason the hydrogen lobby never mentions volume, only weight.

Methane or perhaps liquid methane might be an easier "green" option than hydrogen. Not sure if it is better or worse than jet fuel from a volume per unit energy perspective, but probably close enough to be made to work.

Perhaps even do it like a series hybrid approach rather than turning the engines directly
Renewable made methane could be a good hybrid option here. Use up the methane in climb and then rely on batteries for cruise?
 
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Renewable made methane could be a good hybrid option here. Use up the methane in climb and then rely on batteries for cruise?
Probably keep a reserve of methane for loiter due to weather or whatever.

I'm imagining an evolution something like:
  1. Electric powered aircraft with tail mounted methane / LNG APU sized for optional efficiency generating cruise power output, but peak power capable of takeoff at max takeoff weight. This would be similar to and a straightforward evolution of many existing aircraft with such APU configurations. "Small" battery that allows for taxi operations with APU shut down, and possibly some regen during descent. Electric taxi may be by fans or wheel hub motors, and provides additional green benefits of reduced pollution around airports. (Relatively) minimal changes from existing designs, likely could be an upgrade on active fleet for less than the cost of an entirely new vehicle.
  2. Same as above, but more batteries and APU size might get downsized possibly, along with reduced methane/ LNG tanks. This evolution would be purpose built.
  3. Fully electric for all normal operations once batteries get to high enough density. Can probably design the previous step aircraft for this to be an upgrade. Possibly retain small APU with small methane/LNG tank as emergency range extender, but it would be sized to at most extend cruise operation not capable of ascent power.
Likely once step 2 is reached, it will never completely go away, for example air force one would likely end up with the long range batteries of step 3 but retain the methane/LNG capability of step 2. Similar for various military and other edge case operations, but costs would drive most commercial operation to step 3.
 
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Master Plan 3:
05 Sustainably Fuel Planes & Boats
Both continental and intercontinental ocean shipping can be electrified by optimizing design speed and routes to enable smaller batteries with more frequent charge stops on long routes. According to the IEA, ocean shipping consumes 3.2PWh/year globally. By applying an estimated 1.5x electrification efficiency advantage, a fully-electrified global shipping fleet will consume 2.1PWh/ year of electricity25.
Short distance flights can also be electrified through optimized aircraft design and flight trajectory at today’s battery energy densities26. Longer distance flights, estimated as 80% of air travel energy consumption (85B gallons/year of jet fuel globally), can be powered by synthetic fuels generated from excess renewable electricity leveraging the Fischer-Tropsch process, which uses a mixture of carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2) to synthesize a wide variety of liquid hydrocarbons, and has been demonstrated as a viable pathway for synthetic jet fuel synthesis27. This requires an additional 5PWh/year of electricity, with:
- H2 generated from electrolysis21
- CO2 captured via direct air capture28, 29 - CO produced via electrolysis of CO2
Carbon and hydrogen for synthetic fuels may also be sourced from biomass. More efficient and cost-effective methods for synthetic fuel generation may become available in time, and higher energy density batteries will enable longer-distance aircraft to be electrified thus decreasing the need for synthetic fuels.
The electrical demand for synthetic fuel production was modeled as a flexible demand with an annual energy constraint. Storage of synthetic fuel is possible with conventional fuel storage technologies, a 1:1 volume ratio is assumed. The electrical demand for ocean shipping was modeled as a constant hourly demand.
Global sustainable synthetic fuel and electricity for boats and planes eliminates 7PWh/year of fossil fuels, and creates 7PWh/year of additional global electrical demand.
 
Ships and Planes
With 2.1PWh of annual demand, if ships charge ~70 times per year on average, and charge to 75% of capacity each time, then 40TWh of batteries are needed to electrify the ocean fleet. The assumption is 33% of the fleet will require a higher density Nickel and Manganese based cathode, and 67% of the fleet will only require a lower energy density LFP cathode. For aviation, if 20% of the ~15,000 narrow body plane fleet is electrified with 7MWh packs, then 0.02TWh of batteries will be required.
These are conservative estimates and likely fewer batteries will be needed.


7MWh / 400Wh/kg = 17.5 tonnes
Same as 737 fuel

| How Things Fly
 
Ships and Planes
With 2.1PWh of annual demand, if ships charge ~70 times per year on average, and charge to 75% of capacity each time, then 40TWh of batteries are needed to electrify the ocean fleet. The assumption is 33% of the fleet will require a higher density Nickel and Manganese based cathode, and 67% of the fleet will only require a lower energy density LFP cathode. For aviation, if 20% of the ~15,000 narrow body plane fleet is electrified with 7MWh packs, then 0.02TWh of batteries will be required.
These are conservative estimates and likely fewer batteries will be needed.


7MWh / 400Wh/kg = 17.5 tonnes
Same as 737 fuel

| How Things Fly
The 7 MWh for a narrow body airline was pulled from this report which is referencing another report that I am familiar with, and which was actually talking about hybrid-electric aircraft rather than full-electric. Moreover, said report is also lamenting on the fact that this hybrid-electric setup only yields a modest 10% fuel saving, and also assumes a much lighter battery weight of 9.3 tonnes at 750 Wh/kg.

Clearly nobody at Tesla has even bothered to read the source document. Someone quickly googled that question without looking any further.

The reality for a narrow body airplane to get anything useful as far as range is concerned is at least an order of magnitude higher than that, and to get battery weights that are manageable (i.e. that still leave you with some payload capability) you're not going to get anything viable below 800 Wh/kg and for very short ranges only.

Quite disappointing to see such a glaring error in the masterplan, and it is embarrassing that its source can be easily tracked down.
 
Could electric VTOL Aircraft be capable of Hovering or flying while charging/refueling?
https://www.facebook.com/USCGCJames...on-that-allows- helicopters/1782013168763222/
 
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Front props rotate, the back props are fixed in streamlined position where they are above.