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I guess that would make sense, but assuming that's the case then that same 7% existed when my battery originally had 206 miles at 100%, so to me it doesn't change the amount of degradation in the equation. Maybe it's possible that 7% didn't exist and through a firmware update they "blocked" that...

The SC called me with their engineers response after studying the logs again and they said the battery is normal and healthy. Their math goes something like this: Total usable = ~58.5kWh but 0% isnt actually 0%, there is really ~7% still available at 0% to protect you from yourself. So my...

That looks almost identical to mine: I've been a huge advocate to friends and coworkers but if the response is that 30%+ battery degradation is "normal and healthy" then my tune will absolutely change.

It was mid to upper 70s so I had the A/C on a bit here and there but unless I'm misunderstanding the avg kWh/mi figure, wouldn't any non driving related battery usage show up in that average? I.e if I pree-cooled the vehicle it would increase the kWh usage but since no mileage was accrued, it...

So I've done the 3 charges to 100% down below 20% and my 90% and 100% rated miles are exactly the same. The alarming thing to me, assuming I'm not missing something, is that on my last charge to 100% I drove until the battery was ~5% and my trip section shows that in that 95% battery usage I...

For the first ~2 years of ownership I charged to 80% nightly and the last 2 I've charged to 90% and my rated miles at each have steadily dropped. They gave me the advice to do the charge to 100% and drive it below 20% three straight times so I'm doing that now.

2014 Model S60, 60,300 miles with a lifetime 319kWh/m average. I currently get a very disappointing 150 rated miles @ 90% and 167 for a full range charge. Nearly 20% degradation and the service center says this is normal and within expected limits and reminded me degradation wasn't included in...

2014 S60 with 30K miles and I get 162RR at 90% charge. It has been steadily dropping since the day I bought it almost 2 years ago.

Did they send out invites? I would have assumed all local owners would have been invited. Would have been nice to be invited to an event like that.

Thanks for all the pictures and updates! I am traveling through here on Friday and I am cautiously optimistic that it might be online by then.

I am not a worry-er by nature, but it is hard to see my rate range continue to drop especially when I need as many miles as possible. It is just alarming to see 194 as a max # when 4 months ago it was 204. I didnt read all 1,600 posts in this thread so there may be a perfectly reasonable...

I am leaving on a road trip tomorrow so I range charged my MS60 for the 2nd time since I received it around 4 months and 7,000 miles ago. To my disappointment, my max range charge is now only 194 which is down from 198 the first time I range charged and 204 when it was delivered with a full...

I'm headed through Topeka on my way out to Colorado this weekend and if by some stroke of luck this is open for use, it would save me from an hour of L2 charging to get the 20ish buffer miles I need to make it to the Salina supercharger. I planned on calling the Arby's to see if one of the...

I'm headed through Topeka on my way out to Colorado this weekend and if by some stroke of luck this is open for use, it would save me from an hour of L2 charging to get the 20ish buffer miles I need to make it to the Salina supercharger. I planned on calling the Arby's to see if one of the...

Headed to Colorado Springs this weekend and while I don't absolutely need to charge over night, it would make things a lot easier. Anyone know of hotels that offer charging in the area or at least hotels near EV charging stations that are open overnight? I have an MS60 and will be supercharging...

I woke up this morning to a software update prompt. I scheduled it for 9:30am CT when I know the car won't be needed for a couple of hours. Fingers crossed that I am getting v6.0 (currently on 5.11).

I bumped up from my usual 80% charge to 90% last night (the highest selection that isn't in the "trip" bar) and woke up with 173 rated miles. Maybe I am overreacting a bit but 173 seems low for 90%. FYI I have 6,700 miles on it and took delivery with 2,900.

My MS60 was delivered at the end of June with 204 rated miles. For the first time last weekend I did a full range charge that gave me only 198 rated miles. I charge to around 80% every night (usually 155ish rated range). Should I be worried about the 198 max rated miles on a range charge? It...

Anyone have updated info on Topeka? From a selfish perspective, I am a bit disappointed they are doing Independence before Topeka.

The nearest Tesla store is 275+ miles away from me so my MS60 was delivered by a flat bed. the driver pulled it into my drive way, handed me the keys and asked "Do you know how this car works....because Tesla just told me to drop the car off and give you the keys". I had obviously done plenty...

I was told they would be unveiling the KC service center in the "coming months" and that it was supposed to be one of the coolest SCs yet in terms of location. This was in early July that this was told to me. I was told by another source that they were finalizing a lease agreement near the end...

Thanks for all of the advice, it sounds like I am definitely going to stop in Topeka to charge of I decide to take the MS. EV trip planner estimates I need 61.9kWh to make the trip. Any idea how long I should expect to get 40 or so miles of range from an average L2 charger? I do have twin...

so your saying that 130 mile trip actually takes 150 miles of rated range? If so, that leads me to trust the feeling I have that I can't make it without a stop somewhere in between to charge for an hour or so to get an extra 20-25 miles to help with the buffer.

Am I setting myself up for trouble? I am traveling from my house in Overland Park, KS to the Salina supercharger and according to Google Maps, that is 182 miles door to door. I have only had the MS60 for less then 2 weeks so I don't have a great feel for how real world the rated range actually...

That would be an excellent rate. I am going to give him a call now!

Since auto insurance varies so wildly by state, I figured I would ask for other Kansas MS owners experience on Insurance. The quote I recieved for adding to our bundled home and auto gave me a bit of sticker shock ($1,800 for the Tesla alone, $2,200 combined) compared to Geico ($1,400 for the...

Mine arrives on Monday assuming all goes to schedule. It has 2,911 miles: Model S $69,900.00 60 kWh Battery - Grey Metallic Paint $750.00 All Glass Panoramic Roof $2,500.00 19" Silver Cyclone Wheels $2,500.00 19' Michelin Primacy Tire Upgrade $1,000.00 Grey Nappa Leather Seats...

I will add one more Model S to the Kansas City area total early next week when I take delivery! It is quite annoying that Tesla isn't allowed to accept collect sales tax/DMV fees in Kansas. It forces me to drudge through the madness that is the DMV office on a weekend.

I just put my deposit down for the inventory vehicle that I decided to buy and my sales rep told me that they are expecting to sign a lease for the Kansas City service center location by the end of the month and have it up and running by the "end of the summer". No further details on specific...

Hey Dane, I tried replying to your PM but it wouldn't let me send since your inbox is apparently too full to accept more messages. Can you PM me if the car is still available?

I thought the same thing when I saw it, so I didn't even bother reaching out to them. The very same vehicle is listed on craigslist in the LA area (different posting then the San Diego cl ad, same specifics).

I am (was) one of those potential consumers. Had been on the fence for a month about the decision to buy and these changes have pushed me off the fence. I will hopefully be able to snap up a lightly used MS next year or later when supply is available on the secondary market. I'm sure Tesla knew...

I'll pay $50,001 :)

Obviously each buyer and seller in the used market has their method and reasoning for valuation, but when it comes to the $7,500 tax credit and its affects on value, I don't see how it can be left out of the equation. If you remove the $7,500 credit from my original post with the breakdown of...

I think the fact that owners would hesitate to part with the car for 5% depreciation+ $1 per mile shows how great of a car it is and how satisfied people are. How many other brand new cars hold their value that well in the short term when purchased brand new....I would say not many. Obviously...

You are more then likely correct. I figured it was worth a shot to offer it up to the crowd that might be thinking of upgrading before I put down the order for a new build.

Before I put down a reservation for a new MS60, I figured it was worth a shot to see if anyone with an existing 60 was looking to trade up. I am pretty flexible with the options I am looking for, my must haves only include the Tech Package and Supercharger access. Outside of that, I am pretty...

I was told by a product specialist in the Tesla store that "half" of the production lines are going to be switched over to do the European production.

Someone might have mentioned this already, but how can Tesla know the profitability of the Extended (Years 5-8) warranty when the oldest car on the road is 1 yr old? Now, maybe they are losing so much money on the repair/labor coverage of the original warranty and they are using the ESA increase...

During my test drive this week, they said that I needed to get my reservation in within 2 or so weeks so that it gets into production asap. The product specialist mentioned that in "a couple of weeks" they were starting production on Euro models so the delay would grow for US production.

I believe it depends on state laws, but I filed one when I lived in Kansas. My parked 4 month old brand new Volvo was hit by a lady that confused the gas and break pedal when parking (no joke). The process was for me to request a diminished value claim from her insurance and they basically get...

Thanks for that info, I will give them a call tonight. And thanks for all the input. I knew when I asked the question that everyone would have different suggestions based on preference, situation, etc but that was sort of my goal in bringing out all of the different angles I need to be...

Thanks for the input, all very great points about the additional battery capacity. Need for capacity is one of the things about going from an ICE to an EV that is tough for me. My driving habits are X right now, but in 3 years it is very possible that they will be Y. Is the price difference...

While I would love to have the 85kwh, it would essentially be paying an extra $8k for capacity that I would need maybe 0.0001% of the time. Even I can't justify that. And the ability to upgrade after the fact gives me the flexibility to go to the 85 should my situation change in some way that...

Even though I am asking if I should buy it, I am actually just looking for a sounding board for expenses/considerations surrounding the purchase that I haven't considered so that when I do make a decision, I will do so based on as many variables as possible at the time of the decision.

Ah, thanks for that info, I had not heard that. I was on the website the other night and it mentioned something about the fund was expected to last until 2015 depending on participation. For those suggesting the Tech package, am I wrong in assuming that the only tangible items in that package...

Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this, so feel free to move it to the appropriate location if necessary. For the last 8 or 9 months I have went back and forth over the decision to buy an MS. I was about ready to pull the trigger on the 40 and wouldn't you know it, they pulled it...

Yep, basically a financing program with an out clause halfway through. Based on current financing rates available on the open market, you are paying roughly 2x the APR for the luxury of the out clause after 36 months. Probably valuable for some people for sure, but not sure its as valuable as a...