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    Model S&X Price Adjustments

    Note that I speak as someone who bought a very expensive Tesla a few years back and despite public statements that "such and such will never be offered as a product", that alternative was indeed offered very soon after my purchase and then the price slowly slid down until I could have bought a...
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    Model S&X Price Adjustments

    Price gouging is commonly defined as What emergency or disaster forced people to purchase a Model S or X over the past few months? Even if you include "climate change" as an answer, the point is to buy some EV, not specifically a Model S or Model X. There are so many reasonable alternatives -...
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    Model S&X Price Adjustments

    For all other auto manufacturers there is no guaranteed price. There is a piece of fiction that the manufacturer advertises for national audiences and then there is the price you pay for the product. The two are only loosely related. With no change in either national or local advertising 2...
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    Model X now available with round steering wheel

    As far as keys. I hate the fob specifically because it is style over function. It is way too easy to hit the buttons because they are not recessed at all or protected by a frame. I put a frame on mine which helped only a little but at some point it started hitting the buttons on its own so I...
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    Apple Co Founder: "FSD is a frightening, horrible experience".

    The posts crossed in the asynchronous reading order as I came across the thread late. Apologies for posting before finishing the thread. In other sources I had been looking at recently, those mismatched comparisons had been left unchallenged and I wanted to get on top of it. (I'm still not sure...
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    Apple Co Founder: "FSD is a frightening, horrible experience".

    I edited my post to correct the price of EAP before you posted this.
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    Apple Co Founder: "FSD is a frightening, horrible experience".

    While it is true that the base car has a feature that the older cars did not, the difference between EAP and FSD is $3k vs $9k, not $15k. What do you mean by "EAP is not required for FSD"? You can't get FSD without EAP, that's a fact. If you get FSD then you have EAP automatically, that's a...
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    Price drop on car - Resetting the price on FSD - Anyone else feeling this is highly disingenuous on Tesla's part?

    I'm curious, did they change your price without consulting you? Typically in the past, when a new price schedule comes out you have the option to change to the new price schedule, but you switch the entire price list for the car to the new schedule, you don't get to pick and choose. And usually...
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    Apple Co Founder: "FSD is a frightening, horrible experience".

    You are making apple and oranges comparisons. [Second update: OK, others have pointed this out and discussed it over a number of posts, so the following is mostly redundant but while I think the $3k for historic FSD has been addressed, there is also the issue that the current price is $6k +...
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    Free Unlimited SC - Transfer to new car?

    Almost right. The battery pack predates the change in FUSC, but... 100kWh packs were available before that date, but only in the performance P100D cars, and they did come with transferrable FUSC. The thing that happened right after the original FUSC cutoff date of 1/15/2017 was that they...
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    Free Unlimited SC - Transfer to new car?

    The cutoff for transferrable FUSC was supposed to be cars that were ordered by 1/15/2017 and taken delivery by the end of the quarter (April 2017). FUSC was supposed to have ended with that batch of cars, but they reinvented it in May of 2017 as a referral benefit and it was not transferrable...
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    Made in 'murica

    There was no response. We had just arrived at an event 5 minutes late so we were more focused on not being any later. I really think the "mumble Musk" part of her comment was the real reason and the misinformed fact was just what she was using to justify the more subjective part of the...
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    Made in 'murica

    Me: gives ride to 4 friends to an event Friend, after getting out at the destination: I just bought a Mach E. I know you like Tesla, but I (mumble Musk) so I wanted to buy a car made in the US. Me: Ummm, about that...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    Done. Yes, all was in place. When the release notes appeared in the car after the update installed, the FSD paragraphs were visible. But, in the app, before the install, it didn't have the FSD content. This might be due to filtering based on car features and pre-install my car didn't have the...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    I'm on 2022.40.4.2 and just got a software update notice to 2022.44.25.5 which looks like an FSD release, but the release notes I see on the app don't include any text describing FSD capabillities.
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    OK, installing in 1:59...
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    Wiki FSD’s Earliest Adopters Still Waiting

    So I just went through a camera upgrade saga on my early 2017 X. It had the MCU2 upgrade a couple of years ago around the time that I got the HW3 FSD computer. Just recently I went through 2 appointments to get the right cameras installed. The first appointment on 12/6 installed: Triple cam -...
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    Pirelli tires for 20s

    Just to be clear, there are several tires in the Pirelli range that have some (slightly different) combination of the words "Scorpion", "Verde", "Zero", "All Season", "A/S", "Plus" and some of them are M+S rated and some of them are not M+S rated. Pirelli loves these words and they love creating...
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    Safety Score

    It's not whether or not the miles are logged, it is whether or not your behavior while monitoring AP is examined. If you let AP cut off a car you should be dinged. If you take over from AP when it is entering an unsafe position you should be rewarded. You shouldn't get dinged for AP mistakes...
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    Safety Score

    Which is another reason to withdraw. I don't have a camera to see which way my eyes are looking. Another hardware upgrade between my car and the new software...
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    5 Seater Button Fold Down Seats??

    Also consider that the X has a larger space behind the 2nd row than the Y so it splits the difference there and the 3rd row (if it has one) folds with a button from the rear so it is no less convenient. 1 row X > 1 row Y > 2 row X > 2 row Y So how close a gap from "2 row X" to "1...
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    Safety Score

    That would be too much hassle to remember to deal with. I'd rather just "let it go" and then come back when the program is more open. Another thing that bothers me to add to the list... What they really need to vet is the attentiveness of the driver to AP's mistakes and their judgment of when...
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    Safety Score

    I'm about ready to cancel my part in the queue. There are so many factors in the safety score that are either irrelevant to safe driving or that ding you specifically for driving safely. I'm sure most of these are mentioned somewhere in this thread, but the ones that I really find problematic...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    That all makes sense. Though, on the center armrest - I was almost pushed over the line toward upgrading my 2017 X when I saw the arm rest, but before I realized it was only on the S. Vaguely I'm hoping that they are holding back the 5/7 configs while they rethink that decision. (Rethink as in...
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    Reading the new manual - they now have reading lights for the back seat from over your shoulder rather than from the ceiling above the front seats. It's right next to the ... wait, what? Right next to the coat hangers??? I'm sold now. How do I order one?
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    OFFICIAL BUTTON WATCH

    So I get 1 or 2 FCW per trip as I round a corner near home and it mistakes the cars parked on the curve as obstacles. This does not bode well for me getting a reasonable safety rating.
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    Possible to drive from USA to Chile in Model X?

    Also, in that show, they didn't drive the entire way. Flights and ferries were required to get between South and Central America.
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    Passenger chair reclines when captain chair moves

    OK, just double checked. I have a 2017 7 seater. When I move the 2nd row seat up, the front seat moves forward, but does not change its recline angle. When I move it back, the front seat follows it as far as it was originally positioned. But the recline angle is not affected. Does the...
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    Passenger chair reclines when captain chair moves

    When you move the second row seats forward, the front seats un-recline and move forward. When you move the second row seats backward then the front seats return to their original position. If it was originally reclined when the rear seat was moved forward, then it will return to that recline.
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    Possible to drive from USA to Chile in Model X?

    Before you set out to try to drive between Central and South America, you might want to research how to bypass the Darien Gap (it won't be by driving, the lack of roads trumps the lack of charging).
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    Can you 'turn off' the sound system?

    He's referring to the popup display of the Audio user interface which takes over about 1/3 of the screen whether or not the audio was on or off when you got in the car. You are correct that the MX does remember the state of the audio output between uses - but it still shows the UI every single...
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    Blog See New Photos of Model X Plaid Interior

    The rear screen also provides secondary control over other functions like rear climate and I think the audio. For canine (and other misbehaving) occupants they should probably provide a rear screen lockout similar to "screen cleaning mode" and the common lockouts for door locks and windows.
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    Blog See New Photos of Model X Plaid Interior

    I'd love to see the fold-down armrest on the middle seat in the X. Is there a reason they can do that for S, but not X?
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    Refreshed 2021+ Model X and Model X Plaid waiting room

    I not only noticed it, I saw it happen during a post-reveal youtube stream on Thursday evening. They were showing the page with 412 and then someone in their chat said something that made them reload the page and it switched to 405 right then. So, it happened right after the Plaid reveal ended...
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    Advertised LR range drop caught on video (412 to 405)

    At one point I noticed that the range on the web site for the LR was 405, but I could have sworn it had been higher. Indeed I saw some launch review videos that mentioned a range of 412 even as they showed the order page with the 405 listed. I had first noticed this when the NYK guys had been...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    Just a note on the text quoted above about the data collected by an EDR being property of the owner... There are a lot of qualifications in that text - "required to be installed ... under [DOT] regulations" for example. It comes from a time when the government was first considering requiring...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    To confirm, do you have the basic AP that was included with the car for free without the FSD option? If so, then this confirms Elon's statement that "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on".
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    He said that the guy's research is better than WSJ. That's a low bar and does not indicate that everything in the quoted tweet is correct. Has someone with basic AP confirmed whether lane lines are needed? So far we've had people say that they can engage without lane lines, but those people...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    FSD adds a *LOT* of features now. Old EAP used to have most of what FSD provided, but the new basic AP has very little. FSD adds - lane changing - NoA, on/off ramps - self parking! - summon - traffic as you said - city autosteer in the future
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    Because the description of AP specifically states "within a clearly marked lane". AP is not FSD minus the potential autonomous levels. The current AP is basically TACC + staying between lines. It doesn't even change lanes. There used to be EAP which was a lot of driver assistance features...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    The "Autopilot as standard" is the AP that won't engage without "a clearly marked lane" according to the description of the features. If it was purchased before April 2019, then I'm not sure which version of AP you would have to buy. If it was EAP, then it would probably be able to engage...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    This was the post I was intending to reply to before. You indicated that your car has FSD. FSD can engage in situations where a car with basic AP will not engage. Since the car in the article did not have FSD, I don't think these experiences can necessarily be applied to the situation in the...
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    I misread the post I was replying to. I thought it was the post that indicated that AP was engaged on a road without lane markings. There is such a post here, I should have replied to that one.
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    [UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied

    Just to clarify - you have basic Autopilot, not Enhanced Autopilot or the FSD feature? All of the following have different levels of what they will allow: - ye olde MobileEye AP1 that I don't think anyone is discussing here - basic Autopilot that has been included for a few years - the Enhanced...
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    White Interior with Figured Ash Wood!!! 😁

    I did this same thing with my 2017 MX. I was ordering it about a month after they deleted that option from the ordering process and the sales person said that they could do the swap for me for about the same price you paid. (I won't share what I paid because it was bundled in with a bunch of...
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    Have you seen a refreshed Model S/X in person?

    It looks like the circular part of the wheel is a separate piece so that a yoke conversion would be basically removing the ring and attaching a half-ring.
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    Have you seen a refreshed Model S/X in person?

    Theory #2 for the larger side cameras - the legislation for removing the side mirrors is close to being a reality?
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    Have you seen a refreshed Model S/X in person?

    The front fender cameras are really looking huge there. I'm wondering if they've made them wider to protrude past (or even with) the fender flares so they can better gauge curb clearance when maneuvering in tight quarters?
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    Return of $7500 Federal Tax Credit?

    I'd rather that however they modify the rebate program, that it punish the slow players. Right now the early adopters run/ran out of credit before the slow adopters even lifted a finger. It should really be that you get the credit until there are at least N companies with EV lines that comprise...
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    Major 2021 Model X refresh pending [Update: Unveiled January 27, 2021]

    Looking at Q2/3/4 of 2019 it looks like the X was outselling the S with the X selling around 5K and the S around 4K. According to the page where you seem to have gotten those graphs: U.S. Tesla Sales Graphed Through Q4 2019 the X outsold S 5500 to 3750 in Q4/2019 and X outsold S 19k to 14k for...