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  1. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    All 13,400 hires in 2023? Any links to your claim? I’ve seen old info on Tesla’s hiring practices, but nothing about 2023.
  2. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    There's a non-zero chance that the Robotaxi is the Next Gen consumer vehicle. 1) Elon thinks big. You know he rather build cars with no steering wheel and pedals. Some next gen advanced screen controls are still necessary though. Think point the camera at something and the car goes, not...
  3. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    With neural net learning by imitation, once the AI learns how to drive Chuck’s left turn in many circumstances, it should be able to do almost all unprotected left turns with a median in the U.S. I liken this to learning a particular skill. Where the large data set comes into use is edge...
  4. JSML

    FSD discussion

    Are you on V12?
  5. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Gene Munster on FSD potential... a bit disappointing. Gene is projecting a 20% increase in net income in 2027 based on FSD adoption, if Telsa lowers the FSD price by half. Here's the link: Thoughts? My thoughts below. FSD's value varies depending on use. FSD for consumers is currently...
  6. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Elon’s a perfectionist. It’s not just the gen 3 platform. Elon wants to evolve the machine that makes the machine. It has absolutely need to be the lowest cost possible. Tesla cars are iconic. This new one will be too. The model once made will not change for a decade or more. Takes time.
  7. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Has anyone subscribed to Elon’s Twitter subscription? Does it have worthwhile Tesla investment related tweets or insights?
  8. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Unfortunately I use margin and trade options. Hence my question.
  9. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Charles Schwab says it could ride out a deposit flight | Fox Business
  10. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    A question. I use TD Ameritrade. With the recent Charles Schwab rumours I did a little research. Security held at brokers should belong to the investors, however, since the broker loans out shares at times, it’s not 1 to 1. Came across this at Investpedia While securities held in street name...
  11. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    One thing is for certain, Tesla will not compete in a commoditised market. Look for Tesla to reinvent and integrate the power wall into a more complete eco system. Now, solar roof, grid and cars. In the mid term future, perhaps a home hvac. And in the far future, the Tesla bot.
  12. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    110 share price breached and I had to deleverage again. Sold off all the new shares and leaps I bought last week. Another painful lesson on being overly optimistic. Might just do nothing on the long side but hold. STO Jan 6 -c114, -c116, -c118. Rolled down Jan 25 leaps from +c80 and +c70 to...
  13. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I sure don't look forward to that day. It would mean the large growth for Tesla is behind it. Those slow and steady wins the race stock have very low PEs.
  14. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I can assure you that Wallstreet is not viewing 40% annual growth and 25% margins as likely for the next 3 years in a row. Current TTM PE ratio is 34. Three years of 40% growth, assuming gross profit margin at 25% nets the same net margin as now, due to efficiency, would put the PE at 12.5 at...
  15. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    The current market cap is 385 billion. If you look at the historical PE ratio of S&P 500, it averages 16 to 1 since inception. As a thought exercise, what does this valuation imply? Based on a 385 billion market cap, a PE ratio of 16 would mean an annual profit of 24 billion a year. We can view...
  16. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Today, I bought more shares and Jan 2025 leaps at +c70 and +c80. I am now at 38% leverage using margin on the long side. I am also not hedging the long position going into P&D numbers. In addition with left over BPS and naked puts, I am at 55% margin. I believe we've hit at least a short term...
  17. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Used up extra capital and deployed margin again to buy shares and leaps. 15 percent leverage on the long side. Year end rebalancing or tax harvesting will be over soon. PD report more likely to be neutral. I view the earnings report and guidance to be more significant. Not selling calls for...
  18. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Started buying shares again today. This could be the bottom and I don't want to miss out on low priced shares. Currently deploying 90% of my capital and no margin yet on the long side. The only way to gain back this year's losses is to be aggressive at the right time when the stock is going...
  19. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    It's hard to assess without the whole picture of your portfolio. Just on a mechanical basis, 1) You now own 400 shares at a cost basis close to $ 300 depending on the original premium you received. If you need tax harvesting, you can sell some of these and get the tax loss. 2) If your margin...
  20. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Sold shares I bought last week at the open. $ 10 loss per share. The market is so volatile, I am putting a few dollars on the side in case it goes down. I imagine at some point, I will deploy all my capital and go into leverage again. Just don't know when that will be. I am also Ok to buy back...
  21. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Tesla November China wholesale was 100K so it’s not out of the question. Anything less would be a month to month decrease. All depends on the export number and last 2 Dec weeks China local sales.
  22. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    There's a rumor from China Analyst that Tesla China sold 100K cars in December. That should start a rally if China insurance numbers are up week to week next Tuesday. Despite that catalyst, I am still selling calls for next week. Until the trend reverses, I am not convinced the stock is going...
  23. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Even so, ignore his views and comments at your own risk. The severity of the down turn is what is dubious. The down turn itself is in less doubt. One thing I do want to defend Elon on is that he's right, most of the downward movement in share price is macro induced and it will take macro...
  24. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    TD Ameritrade did not change margin calculations on Tesla stock in my account. Exactly the same as before.
  25. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    My biggest miscalculation is believing true FSD will happen in late 2022 or sometime in 2023. Looks like we are a few years away. Still waiting for “the biggest increase in asset value” to happen.
  26. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Tough tough day. Still holding on to the shares and leaps and trying to be optimistic. I am no longer leveraged long but still can't stomach seeing my equity go down by 10% just like that. Doing a few things on the edges 1) Rolled down Dec 23 -c 152.5, 155, 157.5 to Dec 23 -c 138, 140, 143...
  27. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    It appears to me that the stock price is pricing in 25 to 30 percent annual growth rate. If Tesla achieves 45 percent growth and more importantly give guidance of 40 percent growth or more without significant margin impairement, the stock will pop.
  28. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I am not seeing that the market will close early this Friday. Can someone else collaborate and confirm?
  29. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Rolled Dec 23 -c165 to Dec 23 -c152.5 Still holding -c155 and -c157.5 Not seeing any catalysts rest of this week. My belief is the market is at a ‘show me’ stage with Tesla and until we get 4th quarter deliveries and then earnings, the stock has limited upside. Deliveries and earnings could...
  30. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    A few comments. In order to sell options you need a margin account, they won’t let you do it with a cash account. Margin calculations is different then cash calculations so you won’t need the full difference in strikes x contracts of margin when you open the covered call.
  31. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Rolled my Dec 23 -c165, -c170, -c175 to Dec 23 -c155, -c157.5, -c165 Yesterday converted my last remaining BPS from Jan 25, -p300/+p310 to Jan 25 -p190/+p220. Reduced the put count by a little less than half. Received a small credit and took on more overall risk. It should be less likely to be...
  32. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I think you should able to write calls under the strikes. Just make them short term. If needed you can roll them over the strikes by rolling them out and up. I would do this incrementally, meaning you don't need to roll them over the strikes all at once, you can keep rolling them from short term...
  33. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    My thesis of a $160 bottom is gone. 1) I reduced share count and leaps by another 15 percent and now I am no longer leveraged on the long side. 2) STO Dec 23. - c 165, - c 170 and - c 175. 3) sold shares earlier this week to cover my Jan 20 -p 156.67 4) Will be assigned - p 167.5 today...
  34. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Just finished listening to the All-In podcast and I think Chamath said Elon had to sell because he got margin called. Not sure how accurate that info is. Just thought I put it here because I have not heard that before.
  35. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Really sorry to hear that. Hope everything will turn out OK.
  36. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Could Elon's warnings about leverage and margin be also directed at his own 13B twitter debt? Perhaps leading him to sell Tesla stock.
  37. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Here's how I look at the share price and how low it could go 1) If Tesla grows EPS for the next 24 months at 33% per year, a $ 160 share price implies a PE of 25 at the end of 2 years. 2) If Tesla grows EPS at 30% per year, a $ 150 share price implies a PE of 25 at the end of 2 years. 3) If...
  38. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    I have to respect the price action. Tesla is being re-rated relative to the Nasdaq. STO Dec 16 -c180 and -c185 Also sold shares to cover my Dec 16 -p 167.5. A small loss after the premium received. My line in the sand is still SP at 160. If it goes below that, I will need to look at...
  39. JSML

    Elon & Twitter

    Thanks for sharing this insight. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the pronoun movement and this helps. I've always been concerned that children are asked to choose at too early an age their pronouns. I remember ages 11 to 13 as a phase of self discovery for me and it would not have been good to...
  40. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    At strikes of 400 to 450 for long dated calls, when the SP moves against you, your available margin may take a big hit. It's happen to me before. At higher SP, it does not matter as much. As long as the delta is really small, it doesn't matter as much. I now only use those as a hedge against...
  41. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Closed Dec 9 - c 187.5, - c 190, -c 192.5 early when TSLA was still 175. STO Dec 16 - c 197.5, - c 202.5. Selling 2/3 of my usual volume for next week. Glad to see the pop today. I think this will ease the upside if CPI should be lower than expected next Tuesday. Plan for next week: if...
  42. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    By time away, I don’t mean full time obviously. Just some time away. Even Elon said he would not be the ceo of Twitter for the long term. Twitter is taking his available time though. No doubt.
  43. JSML

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    While I agree with all of this, I have a slightly different take on what might be happening. My belief is Elon is taking time away from Tesla at a strategic time before FSD is truly able to morph a car into a Robotaxi. We continue to hear reports of how Tesla is ramping up compute 10X to where...
  44. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Continuing to roll down my Dec 9 short calls. Now I have Dec 9 -c187.5, -c190, -c192.5. I think I am done for this week rolling down unless SP goes below 167. STO a smallish hedge position Jan 25 -c 480. Received 6.2% of my total equity as premium. I am having a hard time deciding short calls...
  45. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Rolled Dec 9 -c210 to Dec 9 -c192.5. Now for Dec 9 I have, -c192.5, -c202.5, -c205 My assessment for this week is still flat to down, given the current action, don't believe it can get back to 194.5 by the end of the week. I am trying to be aggressive this week selling calls and back off a...
  46. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Overall, you want to the stock price to jump to the point where your put is OTM. I only do these with DITM short puts. On the naked short call side, the hope is they are shorter term and you are managing the positions. If the SP moves up, eventually you turn the spread into a strangle. For...
  47. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    You can only sell CCs against a naked put short position, not a spread.
  48. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    This is similar to what I've done with my DITM short puts on SQ and SHOP. 1) Roll puts out and down 3 to 6 months 2) Sell CC against the put position. This requires no extra margin. (I sell 2X CC most of the time against the puts. But OTM, what I would consider safe.) 3) Buy back 1 put at a...
  49. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    In theory, having your short put leg assigned will always be better than closing out the spread yourself. This is because you don't pay the premium for closing out that leg. When you sell the long put leg, there should be some additional slippage that will cost you some money.
  50. JSML

    Wiki Selling TSLA Options - Be the House

    Keeping my Dec 9 -c205 and -c210 opened last Friday. STO Dec9 -c202.5 My read is this week is flat or down and I am pushing it this week and will go more conservative next week due to CPI print.