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Wow. Is that really how bad it is with a 90D, even in good weather?

No, they specifically said that the first time I would see it would be when I sign the paperwork.

So I went tire kicking in Dedham on a work trip and inquired about a used Model X that was at that location. I had heard that they are actually stored off site and this turned out to be true. So I was unable to even look at the car, let alone get a test drive. I was told that the first time I...

I don't have advice but I wish I did (other than scream at Tesla to frame the effing windows)! This is one of the things that holds be back from getting a Tesla. I have a garage but obviously drive to locations without a garage and this is such a common occurrence, some precipitation freezes...

While I do think the QC isn't top notch, I think that a lot of poor engineering choices are what has killed the service/reliability of these cars. I would love to know the numbers but I feel like these few things alone contribute to a lot of the headaches: Non-framed windows Electronic door...

So the 60D is actually a 75D right? So Charging to 100% every day should be fine correct? With battery/charge gate going on with nerfed batteries, and people losing range from regular battery degredation, will the BMS keep allotting more battery to keep the 60D at 200 miles of range, or...

This is sort of what I meant. Looks better as an SUV to me:

Forgive my sins of MS Paint, but can someone with actual photoshop skills render this roofline as an SUV with another panel of glass in the back? I think this would look much better.

Polarizing design aside, did I see non framed windows again? Please tell me they are framed. Your tough cybertruck won't look so tough when you are fumbling around trying to open or close the doors in the winter.

Framed windows!!!! Booo electronic latches, no door handles, and self presenting garbage.

Thanks for all the contributions in this thread! I am going to continue to sit on the fence for now. With these cold and wet/snizzly/snowing mornings, I can't imaging messing around with non framed windows and those door handles. I also think the 2 hours to Dedham/Watertown would drive me...

Yeah, I am sure it is great if you have a garage everywhere you park and can plan your trips 30 minutes in advance but for the rest of us, the door and handle designs from Tesla are clearly designed in the California bubble.

Unfortunately all of the door issues could have been solved by using framed windows like everyone else and regular door handles (and perhaps getting rid of electronic latches too). This is one of the major issues preventing me from pulling the trigger on a Tesla (and the service). I really...

I really appreciate the replies on both sides of the fence. I am going to postpone any vehicle purchase and see how things shake out over the next year. The horrible service stories seem to keep creeping up so I would like to hear about this improving before I purchase a Tesla. I know other...

Why is there an "eligibility list"? Shouldn't it include all EV/PHEV?

Long time lurker here, I have been waiting/saving for a Tesla since 2012 and have watched the evolution of the cars and the company. The initial lust I had for these cars has faded over the past year. Reading about terrible service, refusing to honor warranty issues (yellow screens, broken MCU...

This can't be good. Just drove by the Northbound stop. Didn't look like the chargers directly but something close by?

This is what I was afraid of, can anyone else confirm? It annoys me to no end some of the overly complex engineering "solutions" that Tesla has put into their cars.

I didn't even think about this scenario. Is it true that you cannot open any Tesla (S/X/3) doors from the outside with a failed 12v system?

I am genuinely curious about the ability to escape the car in such a crash (as well as the X and 3, and even etron since they all have electronic latches). Of course the doors could be crumpled to prevent exit regardless of latch type but electronic latches seem like a terrible idea. One of...

@wk057 As someone who has dabbled in a lot of CAN bus sniffing, can you control a lot of things from the bus? HVAC, infotainment, heated seats etc? If so, I assume someone could make a button array to mount somewhere and make programmable buttons (not that this excuses poor UI design, just as...

If only the battery pack was the only area of concern for an out of warranty Tesla. It should be a reliable platform but these things are currently keep me on the sidelines: Door handles Air suspension (probably just get coils) Screen (they currently don't even replace under warranty) MCU (it...

What is the benefit of moving to electronic latches? I noticed that the new etron has them too which I find disappointing. It certainly isn't to save weight or complexity because it seems as though they are required to still run an emergency latch mechanism for power failure. So why even...

Maybe they are attempting some color shifting in those areas of the screen. Maybe they can hide the yellow by some color wheel magic. This would only work while the screen is on obviously. And only if the yellow area is consistent across all screens. Either way, for us lurkers who are on the...

Just curious about how current owners get service work done? Will rangers travel to Maine for simple things (door handles, trim repair etc)? Obviously larger work would require a garage but I don't want to drive to Dedham for every little issue. Thanks!

This is one of the main reasons why I am still on the fence about purchasing a Tesla, I really hate that they have these silly door handles, frameless windows, and an SUV on which you can't mount a roof rack (and silly doors). I was hoping that someone would make an aftermarket door handle that...

Or maybe, just maybe, they could have used a (GASP!) traditional door handle? As a potential owner (and likely out of warranty), is there a way to disable retraction? Does the extended door handle use a mechanical latch to release the door, or is it an electronic signal to pop open a...

Thanks for the reply. So you don't think I can make it without a charge in a 70D in the worst case conditions?

I occasionally travel from Portland to Providence for work and am wondering if a 70D could realistically get there in the worst case conditions in the winter? It looks close on EV trip planner depending on the parameters so I was wondering if anyone has some real world experience with this...

I am a fan of air suspension in theory, but not in practice. I have owned an Audi A8 and vowed to never own a car with so many bells and whistles again. So I am a bit annoyed that Tesla chose things like falcon wing doors, frameless windows, and silly door handles but I digress. So does the...

If they get frozen and can't retract, then you have problems (same with the door handles). They just don't deal well with frozen weather:

Love the cars, HATE that they haven't followed KISS with their engineering solutions. Do you think we will ever see a Tesla with framed windows? This is really a deal breaker for me living in a snowy climate. Elon, please please please give us framed windows for the Model Y!!!

I don't normally get to chime in these discussions with any useful information but I would add that the Subaru Eyesight system does work over a full range of speed for those wondering about ICE cars with TACC (which I think just means full speed range ACC, traffic aware vs adaptive cruise?)...

No Tesla yet, but I used to drive an Audi A8L with 255 width tires and can say that the big heavy luxo barge was no good in the snow with "all season" tires. Once it lost traction, it really wanted to slip and slide all over, worse than other cars I have had. It is all about risk I guess. If...

All of the above! Snowy frozen sleet drizzle. I think it is called Italian Ice or shaved ice elsewhere :)

Ha, I came here to inquire with the Maine folks about how your S's and X's are holding up with the first round of brutal cold? Guess you beat me to it, thanks for the update! I am also curious if anyone with the X dealt with the snow/snizzle/ice we had this week? I really worry about the...

There are some at the Hannaford Corporate Office too (down Highland Ave from the rec center, then to Pleasant Hill). Not sure if they charge money or not, they look like they are in visitor parking spots?

Wow, I never thought I would ever see the day that there would be something like this in Brewer (growing up as a kid in Bangor). Although I did drive to Taco Bell frequently when they had the first one in the state (I think). Anyone know if Somic makes any parts for Tesla (formerly Ishikawa...

This spring, we had exceptional wind in New England, and on the highway I felt like my car would dance all over the place (currently a venerable Camry). Previously I had an A8L, not a light car, and it still had similar issues but not as bad as the Camry. I am wondering how well the Model S...

Check in the New England forum for more details/ideas but the only superchargers in/around Maine are Augusta as you mentioned, and Seabrook, NH (just before Maine/NH border). There are a few public chargers in the Portland area as well (one at the community center in South Portland, and one in...

Fixed that for you :P Just a cheapshot at the non-framed windows and the stupid door handles (and now the gull wing doors on the X). Love everything else about the S!

Can you purchase a CPO car from the Canadian inventory and have it shipped to the US? Some of us are pretty close to Canada, and it looks like there is a small service center transfer fee. If the car has never been registered in the USA, would it qualify for the $7500 Federal tax rebate even...

I was going to chime in with the Fore St. Garage, lots to do in Portland in that area. There is also a charger at Prime Mercedes on Rt 1 in Scarborough, not sure how friendly they are though, and not a ton to do, but it might be free. AIMc, does your blue S have NY plates? Thought I saw one...

I know, I know, dragging up an old thread, but the Model X reveal really left me disappointed in Tesla. I am sure they have done their market research, and need ways to be able to sell a $130k SUV (or CUV?), but everything about it seems like a step in the wrong direction. I own and A8L and a...

So I am not ready to pull the trigger on a Model S, so this looks like the next best thing. I went to check out a Volt, and it seems too small. Range isn't a huge issue for me as this will be an around town car. I didn't get to drive the B Class, but a customer was there charging his, and let...

This may be a silly question, but for comparable times with an ICE car, do they cruise at rolling speeds (as in the 30-50mph test), and then punch it? Or do they just extract the number from a 0-60 run? Or do they put the car in the lowest gear that they can before the test? I ask because the...

I know, long term is relative... two years max? Anyways, I am looking for people in our harsh environment that have had the car for a whole winter or two. The two things I am worried about in the Model S are: 1) Non-framed windows. I absolutely hate that the car is designed this way. I...

I don't have a Model S, but an A8L (big heavy gas guzzler) and lots of people have been complaining recently about those tires, specifically on short life. I bough Yokohama Advan Sport A/S and they seem to be doing great so far for me compared to the Michelins so maybe check them out if they...