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No. It didn't cause an accident. I don't want to be dramatic. Just saying that it was a little scary as one of the times in particular, the horn was needed to alert someone that she was there. Again, its probably a minor thing for most people. But, we used it as a differentiator. Personally, I...

I was in the market for a while and evaluated I5, MSP/MSLR, Lucid, and EQS. I narrowed down to I5 and MSLR. On my wife's final test drive she had 2 separate situations where I needed my horn to prevent an accident potentially and I hit the middle of the wheel instead of that button. That was...

Not really talking about buttons but real useful technology that I use every drive. HUD and 360 view are extremely helpful. Not sure why Tesla wouldn't be able to offer them in a tech package and make money on it. Again, other than battery and charging, there have been very few innovations with...

I disagree completely with UnclePaul. I have a Tesla and a BMW I5M60. Look I have no problem with either car or if people prefer one over the other. They are both great cars. But, personally, I love my I5. The HUD, 360 camera, customizing screens, ride quality and overall better comfort and...

FYI-The lease price I got was $150 less per month for a MSLR and I got almost 10k more on the trade in.

Well, I pulled the trigger on an I5 M60 over MSP/LR last night, so my days here are numbered. Just want to give my parting 2 cents. I think all the options are excellent Tesla, Lucid, EQS, Taycan, I5, I7, etc. I highly recommend for people that are considering any of these options to first...

Good luck! I tried and gave up (in VA too). I had an issue over the summer. Its a long story, but I have no doubt anyone who heard it would say that it should have been resolved. It wasn't even really that hard to fix!

Yes, the range is a big disappointment for sure. After a long search, I've landed on the I5 over the MSLR or Plaid. I'm not as negative as some. Personally, I think all of these new cars are amazing. The i5, MS, Lucid, I7, EQS, Taycan, and e-tron are all great in different areas. I would not...

Thats true too. And, it's also frustrating to hear the things that are supposedly coming but never do.

That's fair. I think it depends upon what you value. I have been looking at an I5 and MSLR for a few weeks. There's a lot of tech to go thru and lots of components to the tech to consider. I think I am pulling the trigger on an I5 today. For me, its coming down to the tech features of the BMW...

Not sure if the technology is a plus anymore, as other cars may have passed Tesla. BMW for example, has pretty much everything Tesla including (hands free highway assist, HUD, Parking overhead display, phone key, etc). I think really the Telsa has the SC network (and range) and power now.

I hear you. On my last test drive twice I needed it and twice I hit the middle of the wheel instead of that little button by habit.

Didn't Elon/Tesla say their 22 steering wheels can and will be upgraded with a normal horn? Any here any updates? Or, is another one of those supposed plans that we'll never see?

Not a fan of the look at all. I'd look at the BMW I5 instead. Loaded with new tech great interior and build quality. I would pull the trigger on one of those but I do drive long distances sometimes and want the SC network. Plus the hatchback is great.

Model X Plaid pricing increased 5k..FYI. I am not sure if the Model S Plaid will be increased, but I would think it does make any more price decreases less likely.

So wait...If I order one today and pay the deposit, is the price locked in? So, if they raise the price over the next week, I still get the are at the reserved price right? Anyone know the answer?

I think there's a lot of uncertainty on rising interests. I actually wasn't saying they were not going up. I was more just pointing out that the rate hikes were probably a part of Tesla's strategy.

Obviously, its hard to time this given all the price reductions and overall market. However, I think I'm jumping in and getting a Plaid after being in the market off and on for a while. I think the odds are greater that the price will increase than go lower. Or at least there's a greater odds of...

Not trying to rub it in, but I'm close to getting a new one now at the 90k price so I hope you don't mind me asking this... But, if you could get one now at 90k, would you feel differently?

Yes. I missed this one. I'm going to do this too.

Just my two cents. I am going from a BMW M4 convertible to MSP this weekend. My needs have changed and I don't want a convertible and I want something more practical. 1) HUD-Can't answer it yet, but it was a factor in my decision. It was a top issue for me too. In the end, I didn't see this as...

Seem pretty confident in the price increase...Just curious. Do you have some information on this?

I totally get it. But, I just don't think Elon or anyone else at Tesla should care about resale value. Their first responsibility is to the shareholders. I get why it s frustrating but no one should be blaming Tesla for trying to maximize shareholder value. I'd think about it in reverse. So, if...

Personally, I think the short term future is in making the level 3 self driving tech as great as possible. We're too far away from having the infrastructure and real interest in full self driving tech.

I think timing this is going to be very hard. Of course, I have no idea, but inventory is way down again and order times are back up. I don't see any reason why they would offer more discounts in the very near future.

Not me. I pulled the trigger and I am picking it up later this week. Been watching for most of the year and I think this is a good entry point. I can see both sides though. But, the inventory is way down, and they are now taking a couple of months to order again. Also, there's no new incentives...

Smart.

Yes. But, Tesla seems to be controlling some of this. If Tesla goes up, other similar cars could too. Unless you are open to an ICE car.

Good questions. I'll let the more experienced folks here answer them. I just pulled the trigger on a MSP after the price drop, but was sitting on the sidelines for a while. If you want something different, did you look at the Lucid?

Mine just got pushed back to first week in Oct est. FYI

I agree that its probably not worth waiting for the 24 model year version. I don't think with Tesla it matters much. If you believe in the rumors of a refresh or if you think Tesla will drop the price more, that's different. Personally, after looking for a few months (and looking at a Lucid...

I ordered mine the day after it dropped to 89k.

Interesting discussion. I'm on the other side. I ordered a MSP and I think I am going thru with the purchase. I totally get your point of view too. I could easily be swayed. But, timing things perfectly is difficult with Tesla. I've been eying a MSP, Lucid, I7 for a few months. I just think...

I get the frustration but I think folks are just unrealistic. So, if the execs at Tesla build develop a strategy around discounts and pricing for new cars that they think will impact profitability/stock price/etc, they should not do implement it due to the current owner's depreciation issues...

a heads-up display. Did I miss something?

I've been in the market for Lucid, Plaid, MS LR, or I7 for a while. All these cars are really amazing. The Lucid drove much more like a luxury car than the Plaid. It was noticeably more refined. You feel like you are in a luxury car too. They did a great job. I love the I7 too. Obviously...

Maybe. I'm considering an inventory Model S LR or Plaid too. I am a little concerned with the new Standard model coming out soon it may impact their discounting strategy for LR and Plaid. I can see them pointing to that option rather than discounting LR models.

I5 would be my first choice for sure. But, that range is a deal killer for me. With the current state of DC fast chargers (both volume and quality of stations), it would be a huge issue for me. Even if it out peformes to the low 300's. But, given the current BMW tech, I would expect it to...

This is a good thread for me too. I have been looking for a couple of months. I have driven all three and an I7 and Lucid. Here are my thoughts. 1) Taycan drives fantastic. Its not just a great EV driving car, but just a great driving car. But, range and limited autonomous driving are deal...

Great dialog...Thanks for posting everything.

Thanks. Yeah, I don't think I'll get any help from the local dealerships. Corporate seems to control everything.

Yes sort of...But, in the end of the day, I was going to live with the value they placed on it. The bigger issue I have is that they switched my VIN to a production car without telling me of the loss of the discount. If they just would have told me, I would have picked out another inventory...

I'm a potential new owner of a Model S. I'm just baffled about how poor the experience has been since I put a deposit down for an exiting inventory Model S. Here's some of the lowlights: 1) My trade in value came in $10,000's less than the lowest number in the estimated range! I know it was...

Interesting...Prices back up today. I have a car on hold, but I got low balled (I think it's really a bait and switch) on my trade in offer. The official offer was 10k less than the low point of the estimated range! Now deciding if I will take the car as it looks like Tesla's prices are back...

Are you also talking about the vibration and shaking when accelerating?

Quick question for the group- I don't think I am interested in paying the extra 30-40k for a Plaid, but I am intersted in the 2021 LR model. Regardless, I really want to test drive one before making the decision on buying a Tesla. I found a Plaid to drive locally, but there I have not been able...

I think they are saying it will get close to 400 miles. They pricing is going to be a little less than an S class. Plus, it will qualify for the $7,500 credit.

Its going to be really interesting when the EQS comes out. I was going to pull the trigger on a LR, but now that the pricing and range is out on the EQS, I might hold off.

I hear you. It's clearly a personal decision.

Btw Edmunds didn't hate the Model S refresh. They didn't like the Plaid.