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90D owners, did you even wish to have 100D range? (295 miles)
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I would not drop free supercharging for 10 kWh. I have driven from Dayton to Quebec City in summer with now problem. However, in winter you do have to stop more frequently. I cannot drive from Lafayette to Dayton at 80 mph like I do in Summer, I have to stop in Indianapolis. I would probably sacrifice supercharging if I could have a 500 mile range. Electricity at home is 5 cents a kWh in winter, I get 200 miles of range so $4.50 per tank. My TDI wagon got 500 mile range on a tank of gas costing about $45. If I had to pay 20 cents per kWh as discussed for some superchargers, I would be pissed.
I'm in 90D. Yes, I'd love the extra range. It's well worth the price if you travel and value your time.
NikeWings
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Yes, so I ordered one. 
But, I did so before the recent 100D announcement which is a helluva deal.
My S90D accomodates 95% of my needs with minimal SCs stops except for wind and weather related drag. Love this car but look forward to also having the utility of the X.
But, I did so before the recent 100D announcement which is a helluva deal.My S90D accomodates 95% of my needs with minimal SCs stops except for wind and weather related drag. Love this car but look forward to also having the utility of the X.
Finder
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Got my MX 90D in December. If I had the chance to trade my 90D with ventilated seat, unlimited SC, and obeche gloss wood with 100D with non ventilated seats, no SC, and dark ash wood... I would be incredibly torn. Would likely want to keep the one I have. I will only use the extra range 2-3x a year - even then it means stopping for another 10-20 minutes per trip. The other things are nice to have on a more regular basis.
I knew the 100D was coming - I take comfort knowing there is no 100D with unlimited SC - makes the trade-off easier to handle. Soon there will be even more upgrades we are missing out on - just things to look forward to when I get my next Tesla
I knew the 100D was coming - I take comfort knowing there is no 100D with unlimited SC - makes the trade-off easier to handle. Soon there will be even more upgrades we are missing out on - just things to look forward to when I get my next Tesla
OP, I think the 100D would be a sweet spot for perf/range in the Model X, especially in colder climates like New England. I just got a P90D MX and I've had it for a week. It's been driven around town never traveling more than 15 miles away from home. On day two, a relatively colder day the MX range from 226 miles to 50 miles (90% - 20%) getting 550 Wh/Mile with same amount of spirited driving I would do in my Model S. The only time I've dropped below 100 miles of range in the MS around town is when it is not charged to 90% the night before. On longer SuperCharging trips in the winter, the 100D will be a big bonus and I'll wish for the 100D range. It is hard to give up free Supercharging if you plan on using your car for travel more than driving around town/commuting.
I've read on TMC numerous times and most recently on this thread the best advice I received before buying our Tesla; get the most range and biggest battery you can afford.
Good luck with your purchase!
I've read on TMC numerous times and most recently on this thread the best advice I received before buying our Tesla; get the most range and biggest battery you can afford.
Good luck with your purchase!
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Thanks for the advicse, but I simply live at Fremont, and Lake Tahoe will be the coldest place I will ever travel to I guess. So in that case, stay with 90D is wiser?
This is tough
Putting it in perspective:
$3,500 + SC costs for 38 miles of rated range, less time to supercharge.
If you drive 10% over the speed limit, you may make it to Tahoe on a singe charge even at 90% in a 100D. You will very likely need to charge from Fremont to Tahoe in a 90D. But perhaps you need to stop anyway so it could be moot. Knowing that the 100D was inevitable and that it would not include unlimited free Supercharging combined with getting a great deal on an inventory P90D pushed me to forgo the range. We have a MS 90D that we can use if we want more range on a trip vs seats. If I had one Tesla, the MX, I'd probably go with the 100D knowing what I know about range in colder (below 50 degrees) weather.
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here is a trip that I copied from an agent. any SCs along the way. For this route, does X 100D give me more confident and save me more time than a X 90D (257 miles range)
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/85+...f39f08aad550!2m2!1d-121.902309!2d37.40541!3e0
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/85+...f39f08aad550!2m2!1d-121.902309!2d37.40541!3e0
krazineurons
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a wise person on the forums here told me, for a battery powered car, go with the largest range that you can afford and I can't agree more with it.
If you have the capability to pay the difference just do it, the drive experience, resale, less wait at supercharger everything will be better than the 90D.
I understand all 90D owners would love to upgrade to 100D, i can assure you if in a year a 120D is launched all 100D owners would love to get a 120D.
With more battery you can afford to drive more aggressively and have more options at your disposal. Very useful when you have impatient fellow travelers like kids or someone who needs to use the restroom urgently and your car is informing you to drive slow since you are soon out of charge.
If you have the capability to pay the difference just do it, the drive experience, resale, less wait at supercharger everything will be better than the 90D.
I understand all 90D owners would love to upgrade to 100D, i can assure you if in a year a 120D is launched all 100D owners would love to get a 120D.
With more battery you can afford to drive more aggressively and have more options at your disposal. Very useful when you have impatient fellow travelers like kids or someone who needs to use the restroom urgently and your car is informing you to drive slow since you are soon out of charge.
I think it comes down to what type of driving you are doing and how many miles you plan to put on the vehicles, but here are my thoughts...
- The rated range vs. reality is very different, especially in the colder weather...
- My 90D gets about 180-220 average real life range, depending on road, weather (warm vs. cold), speed, and personal driving habits (i.e. air conditioning/heating usage, number of passengers/load, how aggressive you are with the accelerator)
- Given what I've seen in terms of range with 90D, I suspect the 100D would probably get me between 200-250 miles in reality...
- You will not see 295 miles, unless you are driving 45-55mph on a flat road, with light load, minimal energy consumption in-cabin (i.e. light AC/Heat usage). Same with 90D, you will not see 257 miles unless the above...
- Range is a lot more important when I drive longer distances, which is not that frequent for me...most of my miles are local and I come home every night with the ability to re-charge (which I don't need to do every night...).
- Superchargers aren't generally 20-30 miles apart during road trips, rather usually at least 40-50 miles, if not more, apart. Given this, most of the time wherever the 90D would have to stop on longer road trips, the 100D would also have to stop. This important to understand...
- All this said, if I were ordering today, it would be a no-brainer to upgrade to the 100D and pay the $3k difference. This gives more peace of mind for local driving, more so than long distance...
- From speaking with two Tesla representatives (one Sales Consultant, one Delivery Specialist) yesterday, I asked if the resale value will be all that different between the two battery packs. Both said essentially the same thing, "No, not really...probably no more than the difference they are charging to upgrade (i.e. $3k). This is because 10kWh is not that much more, and many of the 90Ds have configuration options, as well as Unlimited Supercharging for life that transfers with the VIN/vehichle, which the 100Ds will never get. To Tesla when we consider trade-in values when people are purchasing new Teslas, mileage, vehicle condition, and hardware/options are what they look first and before the battery pack , when they consider making offers to buy back vehicles. Obviously, a 90 or 100 battery pack will be more valuable than a 60 or 70 pack, but between the 90 and 100, no that much of a difference."
- Just so you know, I asked the above questions primarily because my father just ordered a 90D on 12/31 and is also considering the same thing...
Thank you for the reply, what why do you say it is a no-brainer? If you order TODAY, yes, you don't get free unlimited super charge on 90D anyway, but between the range and FUSC, which one do you pick?
Another question is about battery degradation. They say in 10 years your battery will only have 90% range, so I think maybe get the biggest one today will help. Does this make sense? Again, taking FUSC into consideration.
I think if anyone is ordering a MX now, they wouldn't buy the 90D. It doesn't make sense. You wouldn't get the free super charging between the 90D or 100D if you order today. The difference of 3,000 dollars to upgrade 10kwh and get almost 40 miles of additional range is too good of a deal to pass up on. It's the best upgrade deal between battery packs.
But if I were a current 90D owner, I would probably just wait until a bigger range battery pack before thinking of upgrading. Who knows?- maybe 5 years from now, the largest battery pack will be 200D- with a range of at least 500 miles. That would be when I would be upgrading my car if I had a model X 90D.
But if I were a current 90D owner, I would probably just wait until a bigger range battery pack before thinking of upgrading. Who knows?- maybe 5 years from now, the largest battery pack will be 200D- with a range of at least 500 miles. That would be when I would be upgrading my car if I had a model X 90D.
A 100D would mean one charging stop instead of two for me to get to the nearest service center (in Winter). And if I didn't have free Supercharging I'd petition them to pay for the juice when travelling for service.
At this point though I would not change the car or the battery but when 120 is available then I'll make a move.
At this point though I would not change the car or the battery but when 120 is available then I'll make a move.
Elon tweeted (about 2 months ago) that they would likely stop around 100kwh, but then again what does he know.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla limits the max size of the battery at around 120kwh, rather than the 100kwh that Elon stated earlier.
The current batteries uses 18650 cells and they just started producing 20700 cells for Power Wall. I'd like to see what kind of pack they can make with the 20700 cells. Maybe they can increase the density a bit more.
However, there is still lots of ways to improve the battery pack in the future, like faster charging, higher density, lower weight, better longevity, etc.
Before that he advised to wait for bigger batteries before upgrading from 90 to 100, implying bigger batteries would be coming, but perhaps chemistry/format changes intervened. There may be 120kWh batteries in the future but they won't be swappable with current cars.
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mal_tsla
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No, 330miles is the next range milestone that makes a real difference to us (eliminates charging stop).
