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RobStark
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Plaid is triple motor. Dream R is dual motor.
The Air is getting a triple motor option at some point. Maybe after ramp up.
That will be a much more direct comparison.
Kinda like an AMG Mercedes vs a BMW M.
What difference does it make if it has two or three motors? The Lucid Air Dream Performance Edition has 1100 HP vs. the Plaid's 1050 HP. But it is still slower than the Plaid. (Which is at least partially because it weighs significantly more.)
RobStark
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Air Triple Motor will have more power and more traction. And maybe go on a little diet.
Model S Plaid tires are F 265/35ZR21 R 295/30ZR21
Air Dream P tires are F 245/35ZR21 R 265/35ZR21
Lucid was really prioritizing range. Even on the Dream Performance model.
For the Triple Motor they will prioritize performance. And beating Plaid IMO.
what will be the starting price?
The same can be said for the Plaid a larger pack would enable it to push more power to the motors. Dragtimes had the Rimac engineers look at the Plaid and they said that Plaid was battery limited and that motors were good for 1500hp.
RobStark
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How would I know what the starting price will be? Lucid hasn't even given prices for options on Air GT, Air Touring and Air Pure. I don't think even Peter knows what the price for Air Triple Motor will be.
Auto journalist have just said Lucid executives have acknowledged Lucid Air Triple Motor is coming.
Elon has publicly said Plaid is good enough so Tesla won't build Plaid Plus.
That is the difference. It is public knowledge a higher performance Air is coming while a higher range/performance Model S is not.
Yes, Elon can change his mind but til then......
There won't be a Plaid Plus because the Plaid itself will get better over time. Eventually the 4680's will be integrated into the Plaid's which will increase range and energy output while reducing weight. That will equal better performance.
Tesla doesn't need a Plaid Plus. The Plaid will become the Plaid Plus.
RobStark
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So the battery pack is actually 120-122kWh?
Lucid Air Dream Edition: 118 kWh Is The Usable Battery Capacity
Lucid Air Dream Edition: 118 kWh Is The Usable Battery Capacity
RobStark
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So like it said in the article
On the limited production of 520 Dream Edition the useable capacity is 118 kWh and the gross capacity is probably 120-122 kWh. Like Tesla , they don't say.
On the open edition Air Grand Touring with 516 miles range the useable capacity is 112 kWh and the gross capacity is probably 114-116 kWh.
Updates from Lucid:
- Lucid delivered 125 cars to customers in the fourth quarter of 2021.
- Total production exceeding 400 vehicles to date and over 300 deliveries to customers.
- Guidance for 2022 production reduced from ~20k to 12-14k.
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@Singuy Their current guidance is up to 14k production for all of 2022. That is ~269/week or ~3,200/quarter. (But they say the installed capacity is ~34k/year.)
It is likely that they made ~275 in the last 2 months. They have made 400 total minus the 125 they delivered last year. (That assumes that they delivered every car they made in 2021 in Q4, so YTD production is probably lower than 275.)
So I would expect Q1 production to be to be well under 500...
Situation in Lucid is very Fluid down 15% after earnings!!
Lucid Group is cutting its car production forecast for this year by as much as 40%, sending shares of the electric vehicle start-up tumbling 14% during after hours trading.
12,000 and 14,000 vehicles, instead of 20,000 units for 2022
down 15% after earnings!!Lucid Group is cutting its car production forecast for this year by as much as 40%, sending shares of the electric vehicle start-up tumbling 14% during after hours trading.
12,000 and 14,000 vehicles, instead of 20,000 units for 2022
RobStark
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Peter said they did not deliver dozens perhaps hundreds of Dream Editions for lack of unique carpet and wheels.
Could they not contact customers and ask them if they are willing to accept black carpet and another wheel choice? At least the wheels for temporary until the Dream 21" are back in plentiful stock?
Getting enough windshields that pass their quality control also is a problem.
I get they don't want to half ass cars to get them out the door and fix later but this is taking perfectionism to the opposite extreme.
OTOH they have received almost universal praise for hardware fit and finish. But can they scale?
Peter did say they are well stocked with cells and chips.
Could they not contact customers and ask them if they are willing to accept black carpet and another wheel choice? At least the wheels for temporary until the Dream 21" are back in plentiful stock?
Getting enough windshields that pass their quality control also is a problem.
I get they don't want to half ass cars to get them out the door and fix later but this is taking perfectionism to the opposite extreme.
OTOH they have received almost universal praise for hardware fit and finish. But can they scale?
Peter did say they are well stocked with cells and chips.
Sounds like Peter Rawlinson sold $180 million worth of his stock in Lucid, reducing his controlling stake from 30% down to 22%.
That seems like an odd move to me for the CEO of a company in it's early growth phases?
That seems like an odd move to me for the CEO of a company in it's early growth phases?
RobStark
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"However, what many failed to realize is that this liquidation was planned back in July 2021 to fulfill tax liabilities that Rawlinson incurred on the vesting of Restricted Stock Units (RSUs)."
wccftech.com
Lucid Group (LCID) CEO Peter Rawlinson Just Sold Nearly 8 Million Shares of His Company, but Not for the Reason You Are Probably Thinking Of
Lucid Group CEO Peter Rawlinson filed the requisite Form 4 with the SEC yesterday, disclosing the cumulative disposal of 7,981,919 shares
wccftech.com
Company I work for just released the sickest video on Lucid with some sweet Model S Plaid and Tesla love in there too. There are, of course, some errors in it but I wasn't the producer so don't blame me! lol
Jason daily drives an EV and is a huge fan of Tesla. I've already promised him my Roadster for review whenever it comes in.
Jason daily drives an EV and is a huge fan of Tesla. I've already promised him my Roadster for review whenever it comes in.
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