Can Non-California residents pick their car up in Fremont?

[Jason Bourne]

I had the same idea: to pick up at the factory and drive back to Philly. But there are 3 big IFs that have to play correctly to work out:
1 - CA not charge sales tax to non-residents
2 - I would get my car a few months earlier than if I waited for delivery locally
3 - if Tesla offers free 30 trial of Supercharger access, since I don't plan to purchase lifetime SC access

 

[linkster]

4 - if Tesla waived the shipping fee

 

[dsvick]

I had the same idea: to pick up at the factory and drive back to Philly. But there are 3 big IFs that have to play correctly to work out:
1 - CA not charge sales tax to non-residents
2 - I would get my car a few months earlier than if I waited for delivery locally
3 - if Tesla offers free 30 trial of Supercharger access, since I don't plan to purchase lifetime SC access

#1 might still happen, it could always be reintroduced next year.
#2 probably wouldn't happen. The reason deliveries closer to the factory are prioritized is because it makes for a faster turn-around on finding and correcting problems and incorporating them into production. It might shave a couple of weeks off of your normal delivery since they wont have to ship it to you.
#3 not a clue

4 - if Tesla waived the shipping fee

They wont do this, the delivery charge is the same for all vehicles regardless of where you pick it up.

 

[Jason Bourne]

#1 might still happen, it could always be reintroduced next year.
#2 probably wouldn't happen. The reason deliveries closer to the factory are prioritized is because it makes for a faster turn-around on finding and correcting problems and incorporating them into production. It might shave a couple of weeks off of your normal delivery since they wont have to ship it to you.
#3 not a clue

Reasonable guesses. I think there is hope for #1. Number 2 is possible, because if there has been substantial deliveries in my home area by the time my car is ready, they will have already developed the infrastructure, service centers and training necessary to correct problems. I predict my preferred config will be somewhat middle of the road in terms of 'loadedness'/price. I think #3 is the least likely. I think buyers generally know pretty easily if they want to buy SC access. A trial period seems unlikely to me to influence more to purchase it.

 

[Model 3]

I think #3 is the least likely. I think buyers generally know pretty easily if they want to buy SC access. A trial period seems unlikely to me to influence more to purchase it.

Agree - but what is still possible is that they may have more then one "supercharger package".
SuC #1. Free for life (just like today)
SuC #2 Free for a limited time period and/or a limited times charging and/or limited time at the charger.
SuC #3 Access but pay-as-you-go

I think a "one (or two) month free use" would be a popular package for people that will only use the car locally - except for the "once a year" (or rarer) long trip.

Ps: I do not predict that this is what they will do, just say that this is an possibility.

 

[Jason Bourne]

If all else worked out, I would be very inclined to purchase a limited use SC package (limited either by number of uses or unlimited uses in a finite timeframe) just so I could have an amazing cross-country drive to bring it home.

 

[ZAKEEUS]

#1 might still happen, it could always be reintroduced next year.
#2 probably wouldn't happen. The reason deliveries closer to the factory are prioritized is because it makes for a faster turn-around on finding and correcting problems and incorporating them into production. It might shave a couple of weeks off of your normal delivery since they wont have to ship it to you.
#3 not a clue


They wont do this, the delivery charge is the same for all vehicles regardless of where you pick it up.

I think #2 and #4 could work together. Picking up in Fremont won't get an East coaster in line with someone from the west coast, but it would make financial sense for Tesla to give those people priority. That would help quarterly deliveries and they get to pocket the delivery fee without paying for shipping. I think once Tesla begins delivering in a region anyone from that region should be allowed the option to pick up.

 

[22522]

What about Nevada? Max sales tax is $1000?
Sales tax on cars and vehicles in Nevada

For someone in Texas, just pay the difference in sales tax when you get home.
Use: Texas residents — 6 1/4 % (.0625) of sales price, less credit for sales or use taxes paid to other states, when bringing a motor vehicle into Texas that was purchased in another state.
Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax

This would let Tesla store cars at the giga factory releasing them in the quarter after crossing the tax credit threshold.

 

[Garlan Garner]

The problem for me is that my stated charges less than California in taxes and will not provide a refund.

 

[Mark C]

I think #3 is the least likely. I think buyers generally know pretty easily if they want to buy SC access. A trial period seems unlikely to me to influence more to purchase it.

Since they will still be collecting the delivery charges, "free" use of the Supercharger network for a limited time so people could drive their new purchase home would serve two purposes. First, they collected the shipping charges and didn't have to pay to ship a vehicle {+1 for Tesla} and secondly, it could be that after tasting the Supercharger access, some percentage of people who did not sign up for Supercharger use might decide to go ahead and purchase it {another +1 for Tesla}.

I read one of David Nolans article telling us his loaner Tesla was a top of the line model while his S 60 was being worked on. Offering someone a small taste of what they could have for a bit more money may help influence their next purchase.

 

[T34ME]

[QUOTE="dsvick, post: 1668959, member: 49130"
They wont do this, the delivery charge is the same for all vehicles regardless of where you pick it up.[/QUOTE]

According to my local Tesla sales rep, the option of waiving or reducing the delivery charge with factory pick up is being discussed for the model 3 only. Otherwise, California residents are subsidizing out of State buyers with a flat delivery charge. Nothing has been decided at this point and won't be for a long time.

 

[dsvick]

According to my local Tesla sales rep, the option of waiving or reducing the delivery charge with factory pick up is being discussed for the model 3 only. Otherwise, California residents are subsidizing out of State buyers with a flat delivery charge. Nothing has been decided at this point and won't be for a long time.

And people in Detroit have been subsidizing everyone else for years.

While there is no rule that says they have to, I'd still be pretty surprised if Tesla changed the way they do that. I think it would make a lot of people angry. If it ended up causing more people to pick their cars up at the factory, TM would lose volume discounts and that would only further drive up the cost of delivering cars to people who didn't. Eventually it would become prohibitively expensive to do anything but pick up your car at the factory. Then there are all the delivery specialists at all the stores that would be out of a job.

Also, saving a thousand dollars in delivery fees only to pay several times that in CA sales tax doesn't make a lot of sense either.

 

[PeterK]

Very nice....I was wondering about the M3 though. I assume its going to open the same way.

A video of one of the test drives from the reveal had a chief engineer stating that the Model 3 will have glass, openable glass and metal roof options.

 

[NikeWings]

And people in Detroit have been subsidizing everyone else for years.

While there is no rule that says they have to, I'd still be pretty surprised if Tesla changed the way they do that..

It's government mandated:
Vehicle Destination Charges - New Car Business Destination Fees - Kelley Blue Book

 

[T34ME]

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DEEEEELICIOUS!!!!!!!

 

[dsvick]

It's government mandated:
Vehicle Destination Charges - New Car Business Destination Fees - Kelley Blue Book

Actually, the only thing mandated is that it has to be a separate line item on the sticker. The fee itself is calculated by each manufacturer for each model. Since it is smaller and lighter, hopefully the fee for the M3 will be less than the MS or the MX.

 

[Jason Bourne]

Hopefully one day, Tesla semi trucks will be delivering Tesla cars, and the delivery fee will be even lower.

 

[NikeWings]

The fee itself is calculated by each manufacturer for each model. Since it is smaller and lighter, hopefully the fee for the M3 will be less than the MS or the MX.

And it also has to be applied consistently to all geographies, without preferential treatment. So a potentially reduced M3 fee would apply to CA as well as anywhere else.

 

[FirstSea]

I live in CA, I pre-ordered in CA, but I might live in TX by the time the car comes out. I wonder what I'll have to go through to get this car home.

 

[NikeWings]

I live in CA, I pre-ordered in CA, but I might live in TX by the time the car comes out. I wonder what I'll have to go through to get this car home.

It will be based only on the delivery/title address which you don't need to solidify (title/address/payment method) until after the VIN is assigned, which I recall have several weeks to lock it down. BTW, Texas dealer law is funky and requires your Tesla (non dealer) to be paid in full (whether cash/lease/loan) before the car is allowed to cross state line. Just a heads up when planning the application/approval time, whenever that may be. Tesla will handle all the messy admin for you, but your payment is needed a few weeks prior to most.