Climate Change Denial

[eevee-fan]

Newsweek: Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons.

Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons

Instead, some Arizona cities are paying residents to kill their grass and replace it with gravel or drought-resistant plants.

www.newsweek.com

?!?

 

[ElectricIAC]

Newsweek: Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons.

Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons

Instead, some Arizona cities are paying residents to kill their grass and replace it with gravel or drought-resistant plants.

www.newsweek.com

?!?

But is it really a lie?

 

[eevee-fan]

Axios: U.S. beer shortage and price hikes loom with carbon dioxide shortage and supply hurdles.

U.S. beer shortage and price hikes loom with carbon dioxide shortage and supply hurdles

Brewers across the U.S. are reporting production delays in getting beer to the market and drafting contingency plans to switch to nitrogen.

www.axios.com

"The other side: A handful of brewers are insulated from the shortage because they use innovative technology to capture natural carbon dioxide from the brewing process and store it for future use.

Denver Beer Co. in Colorado uses reclaimed CO2 and sells extra supply to a cannabis company for use in the grow houses."

We need more CO2, not less.

 

[DrGriz]

But is it really a lie?

Every little bit helps, but probably not.

 

[ohmman]

Newsweek: Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons.

Phoenix Won't Limit Water Use Because California Would Take Saved Gallons

Instead, some Arizona cities are paying residents to kill their grass and replace it with gravel or drought-resistant plants.

www.newsweek.com

?!?

Tragedy of the commons.

 

[Jane4]

I gave up trying to read through the comments. The earth is heating up/cooling/flooding/burning/changing. There IS climate change. Using an electric car helps a bit. That is my hope.

 

[ElectricIAC]

I gave up trying to read through the comments. The earth is heating up/cooling/flooding/burning/changing. There IS climate change. Using an electric car helps a bit. That is my hope.

Understand that in the production of an EV there is a component of pollution that is unavoidable.

Some will argue that you’re just front loading your carbon footprint and while that certainly has it’s merits, you’re also contributing toward a possible future where we can minimize impact caused by the production of batteries.

 

[eevee-fan]

San Antonio Express-News: Texans suffer more power outages than people in any other state.

Texans suffer more power outages than people in any other state

Blackouts have become more frequent amid increasingly extreme weather in recent years.

www.expressnews.com

 

[DrGriz]

San Antonio Express-News: Texans suffer more power outages than people in any other state.

Texans suffer more power outages than people in any other state

Blackouts have become more frequent amid increasingly extreme weather in recent years.

www.expressnews.com

Guess they got what they asked for.

 

[eevee-fan]

EPA may try to block what could be the first seawater desalination plant built in Texas

Citing water quality concerns, the Environmental Protection Agency may refuse to recognize a permit that Texas approved Thursday for a marine desalination plant at the Port of Corpus Christi.

www.texastribune.org

Makes sense, if there is no climate change, why do they need a desalinization plant? Just sounds like a scam to burn more fossil fuel and increase water prices. LOL

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

EPA may try to block what could be the first seawater desalination plant built in Texas

Citing water quality concerns, the Environmental Protection Agency may refuse to recognize a permit that Texas approved Thursday for a marine desalination plant at the Port of Corpus Christi.

www.texastribune.org

Makes sense, if there is no climate change, why do they need a desalinization plant? Just sounds like a scam to burn more fossil fuel and increase water prices. LOL

The article explains the need. It's a local supply issue.

The key environmental issue that the plant will output brinier water back into the sea, and the releases can negatively impact local ecosystems.

(Aside: desalination plant brine has potential as a source of minerals.)

 

[DrGriz]

The article explains the need. It's a local supply issue.

The key environmental issue that the plant will output brinier water back into the sea, and the releases can negatively impact local ecosystems.

(Aside: desalination plant brine has potential as a source of minerals.)

Yes, it sounds like the high salt effluent will wreak all sorts of havoc with the local flora and fauna.

Just another example of how the western US doesn't have enough water to sustain the population it has. It was always going to become a problem with pop growth, and global climate change has only made things much worse faster.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Yes, it sounds like the high salt effluent will wreak all sorts of havoc with the local flora and fauna.

Just another example of how the western US doesn't have enough water to sustain the population it has. It was always going to become a problem with pop growth, and global climate change has only made things much worse faster.

Sounds like the problem is cities in general.

 

[DrGriz]

Sounds like the problem is cities in general.

Agreed. Too many people.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Agreed. Too many people.

Too many cities.

 

[nwdiver]

Too many cities.

So 10M people should occupy 5,000 square miles with suburban sprawl instead of 400 square miles in a city? How is 4600 fewer square miles of nature better for nature? Not to mention that living farther from where you work and shop means you need to travel farther to get to work and go shopping because math.

 

[ElectricIAC]

So 10M people should occupy 5,000 square miles with suburban sprawl instead of 400 square miles in a city? How is 4600 fewer square miles of nature better for nature? Not to mention that living farther from where you work and shop means you need to travel farther to get to work and go shopping because math.

Why not 2.5mm acres for those 10mm people?

Using that metric you could fit the global population into the lower 48.

Do you really wanna squeeze 10mm people into a quarter million acres?

 

[nwdiver]

Why not 2.5mm acres for those 10mm people?

Using that metric you could fit the global population into the lower 48.

Do you really wanna squeeze 10mm people into a quarter million acres?

So because there's a point at which it's stupid there's no point in using less space as opposed to more space??? Does that really make sense to you?

How about a real world example? Isn't NYC better ecologically at housing people than Santa Barbra, Ventura and Orange counties? More people and less space. Spreading everyone out is terrible for dozens of reasons. Cities are the best sustainability invention ever.

 

[ElectricIAC]

So because there's a point at which it's stupid there's no point in using less space as opposed to more space??? Does that really make sense to you?

It sounds like a pain in the ass to get around even if your proposed figures are only a third as dense as Manhattan.

I’m not advocating for sprawl and strip malls past the horizon but rural living is a consideration to make.

 

[nwdiver]

I’m not advocating for sprawl and strip malls past the horizon but rural living is a consideration to make.

So.... fewer people. Kinda hard to have a planet with >7B people on it without most of them living in cities. Unless you have a plan to make the Earth bigger.

Rural living quickly evolves into sprawl and strip malls when more people try to move out of the city. Just ask ~anyone in Montana.