nwdiver
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We're lucky Faux News didn't exist in 1941. There would have been heated debates over whether Germany and Japan existed....
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Climate Change Denial
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nwdiver
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SummerlinChiro
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The emperor has no clothes guys
German Professor: NASA Has Fiddled Climate Data On 'Unbelievable' Scale
German Professor: NASA Has Fiddled Climate Data On 'Unbelievable' Scale
Someone else who doesn't understand TOBS or pairwise data smoothing. Nothing to see here.
JRP3
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You continue to prove you have no understanding, your links are ridiculous. Brietbart?
nwdiver
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??? Did you read past the title?
'you’ll find that since 1940 the planet has been cooling, not warming.'
Higher sea levels mean warming. You AGREED sea levels are higher. Are you part of the 'conspiracy' too? Get your nonsense straight. If you're going to be wrong at least be consistent
Go explain that to the people in California whose homes have burned down. Or the people in New Orleans who are living by candle light.
Your glib and smug disregard for other peoples welfare, as shown by your continual denial, disgusts me.
(note to moderator .. yes, this is on the edge, but I believe is a justified and valid observation based upon the attitude of this poster throughout this long thread.)
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If you are going to blame somebody, you can just as easily blame George Westinghouse and Nikola Tesla for bringing electricity to almost the entire human population. That required a tremendous amount of power generation to meet the demand. No, the providers of energy are not the villain. We are all to blame. But our technological advancements will bring cleaner and cheaper energy in the future. I think environmental activists get too hung up on pointing fingers at certain people in the past. This serves no useful purpose other than to divide us. This could very well be the primary motivation.
It's useful to point out people who should pay for the environmental damage they caused when they knew they were causing it and actively worked to cover it up so they could continue to profit.
It's not about blame per se (or at least, it should not be). It's about culpability. If you know something is doing harm, but seek to suppress that knowledge, then yes, you are culpable, and should be made to take responsibility. We saw this with tobacco companies (who denied the link to cancer even when they knew it was true) and more recently with the opioid mess. How much responsibility the power companies have is less certain to my mind, given the very gradual acceptance of global warming in the US. And dont assume all activists automatically look for an evil big business to blame .. I certainly dont.
What are you talking about? The big major oil companies are all in renewable energy and the climate change agenda. The demand for oil and natural gas is so high worldwide, it is impossible for them to just shut it off. Can you imagine the chaos that would cause if they did? I can’t help but notice how some environmental activists have this craving for a whipping boy. It is so much easier to create a villain, castigate them, and blame them for the problems caused by the millions of us who pump gasoline into our tanks.
The tobacco industry is a really bad example. That is basically a drug problem like alcohol. The campaign against the tobacco industry did nothing more than drastically raise the price of cigarettes for the consumer while enriching lawyers involved with the litigation. The tobacco industry is still in business. The last thing the government wants to see is the tobacco industry going out of business. They make too much tax revenue from it. If tobacco is outlawed, it will immediately become a top black market product, and somebody else will make money from it, not the government.
JRP3
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They are when they lie and deny the damage they know they are doing and actively lobby against cleaner alternatives. They've done both. Greenwashing around the edges doesn't change that.
Our very own existence makes us culpable in some way. We are evolving. We will advance. Saying somebody is more culpable than others does nothing. Do you consider John Kerry to be culpable with his private jetting all around the earth? Or do you just look the other way because he has a “D” by his name.
Well, that is all hearsay. A letter here, and a rumor there. I do agree that the green energy push by the major oil companies is a public relations maneuver. They know more than anybody that wind and solar will not replace fossil fuels soon. So, they are just playing the game to appease the public and some politicians. If you really believe wind and solar is the answer, then help develop it. Accusing those who produce fossil fuel energy of wrongdoing just creates tribalism.
JRP3
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Not if they are actually doing wrong. Tribalism is ignoring the wrongs done by people just because you identify with them for some reason. Simply put, if not for the actions of fossil fuel companies, such as buying up the patents for NiMH batteries and not allowing them to be made in large formats, essentially killing early EV efforts, we would be further along in EV development. That's just one example.
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