Climate Change Denial

[iPlug]

I find it particularly interesting that defenders of climate change theory won’t dare chastise China and other foreign serial polluters.

Speaking of Team Moscow...

Yahoo Finance: Putin Is Betting Coal Still Has a Future.

Putin Is Betting Coal Still Has a Future

(Bloomberg) -- European governments are drawing up plans to phase out coal, U.S. coal-fired power plants are being shuttered as prices of clean energy plummet, and new Asian projects are being scrapped as lenders back away from the dirtiest fossil fuel.And Russia? President Vladimir Putin’s...

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Ok, now what?

 

[MitchP85D]

This has absolutely nothing to do with me. This is just physics. Why is this so difficult for you? You said heat is convected into the upper atmosphere then radiated away. Even if convection were the primary way Earth cools (it's not).... what's keeping that heat from just radiating away directly from the surface?

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Think you can tell me what is the strongest greenhouse gas?

 

[nwdiver]

Think you can tell me what is the strongest greenhouse gas?

Easy. Water Vapor. Think you can tell me what is the strongest greenhouse gas that doesn't condense into a liquid, doesn't precipitate out of the atmosphere on Earth and allows there to be so much water vapor in the atmosphere?

 

[MitchP85D]

.. and they are also causing the worst climate catastrophy we have faced since the last ice age. But of course you deny this. It’s easy to say “fossil fuels have helped more than done harm” if you just deny all the harm. You can “prove” anything you like that way.

You're just mad that not everybody is hopping aboard the hysterical global warming bandwagon.

 

[MitchP85D]

Easy. Water Vapor. Think you can tell me what is the strongest greenhouse gas that doesn't condense into a liquid, doesn't precipitate our of the atmosphere on Earth and allows there to be so much water vapor in the atmosphere?

The oceans allow water vapor in the atmosphere - not CO2. CO2 allows for life on earth. I find it peculiar how some of you consider CO2 to be a pollutant.

 

[nwdiver]

The oceans allow water vapor in the atmosphere - not CO2. CO2 allows for life on earth. I find it peculiar how some of you consider CO2 to be a pollutant.

What adds more water vapor? A cold or warmer ocean? What keeps the thermal energy in the oceans from just radiating away directly into space. I find it peculiar how some of you can't answer a simple question... what's the strongest non-condensible greenhouse gas on Earth?

So you agree Water Vapor cause warming? So why wouldn't CO2 cause warming? Would not more CO2 also result in more water vapor resulting in more warming?

 

[MitchP85D]

You don't get to cherrypick bits and pieces from different theories. Science isn't a buffet. So you now agree CO2 DOES cause warming?

And you don't get to tell me or anybody else what to do. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Water vapor dwarfs it.

 

[nwdiver]

And you don't get to tell me or anybody else what to do. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Water vapor dwarfs it.

So you finally accept reality? More CO2 means more warming? I never said Water Vapor doesn't dwarf it... but that water vapor is there because of CO2.

 

[MitchP85D]

What adds more water vapor? A cold or warmer ocean? What keeps the thermal energy in the oceans from just radiating away directly into space. I find it peculiar how some of you can't answer a simple question... what's the strongest non-condensible greenhouse gas on Earth?

So you agree Water Vapor cause warming? So why wouldn't CO2 cause warming? Would not more CO2 also result in more water vapor resulting in more warming?

You are trying to make a mountain out of the CO2 molehill.

 

[MitchP85D]

So you finally accept reality? More CO2 means more warming? I never said Water Vapor doesn't dwarf it... but that water vapor is there because of CO2.

Water vapor is not dependent on CO2.

 

[nwdiver]

You are trying to make a mountain out of the CO2 molehill.

What happens to the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere when temperature drops?

 

[nwdiver]

Water vapor is not dependent on CO2.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas => Less CO2 the atmosphere is colder => The atmosphere is colder there is less water vapor => Water Vapor is a GHG => Less Water Vapor the atmosphere is colder => The atmosphere is colder there is less water vapor.

See how this works? If you sucked all the CO2 from the air the Earth would quickly become a ball of ice. Works the other way too... ovviously.

 

[MitchP85D]

CO2 becomes a mountain when you consider that life cannot exist without it.

 

[nwdiver]

CO2 becomes a mountain when you consider that life cannot exist without it.

Totally agree. We need ~280ppm - 350ppm. No one is denying that. Too much is almost as bad as too little.

 

[MitchP85D]

What happens to the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere when temperature drops?

It lowers the dewpoint temperature, resulting in less clouds, thus more sunlight coming in to the earth's surface. Then the earth warms again.

 

[nwdiver]

It lowers the dewpoint temperature, resulting in less clouds, thus more sunlight coming in to the earth's surface. Then the earth warms again.

Have you never been to Seattle? That's not how weather works.

 

[MitchP85D]

CO2 is a greenhouse gas => Less CO2 the atmosphere is colder => The atmosphere is colder there is less water vapor => Water Vapor is a GHG => Less Water Vapor the atmosphere is colder => The atmosphere is colder there is less water vapor.

See how this works? If you sucked all the CO2 from the air the Earth would quickly become a ball of ice. Works the other way too... ovviously.

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You think CO2 is the thermostat of the earth. It isn't. It is a component. But not the whole thermostat.

 

[DrLOAC]

The oceans allow water vapor in the atmosphere - not CO2. CO2 allows for life on earth. I find it peculiar how some of you consider CO2 to be a pollutant.

CO2 is exhaust.

 

[nwdiver]

But not the whole thermostat.

It's about ~90% of it if you count the feedbacks that are dependent on CO2 levels and don't count things that aren't really variable on human timescales like solar insolation. OR events that only last a few years like a volcanic winter.

 

[15Peter20]

The oceans allow water vapor in the atmosphere - not CO2. CO2 allows for life on earth. I find it peculiar how some of you consider CO2 to be a pollutant.

Anything is a pollutant in the wrong quantities or the wrong place.