Agreed.....this is not the first (nor the last) company to lay off an entire departmentI would think there will be a new, albeit much smaller team in place in the next 4 weeks. The supercharger roll out will continue…at a reduced more cost controlled and efficient rate.
When anyone in our squadron got to feeling they were indispensable our sgt major use to tell us to stick our hand in a bucket of water, then pull it out real fast. The size of the whole left behind was indicative of our indispensability. Always a humbling experience.
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Did Tesla really lay off their entire Supercharger staff
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Yes, that is pretty much how I feel about Elon Musk and Tesla right now. The supercharger network was that one thing that they did better than anyone else out there and those people were rewarded with unemployment. Does not bode well for the future of Tesla.
If Tesla needs to reduce costs they should get rid of that ONE guy who wants a 50 billion dollar pay day.I would think there will be a new, albeit much smaller team in place in the next 4 weeks. The supercharger roll out will continue…at a reduced more cost controlled and efficient rate.
When anyone in our squadron got to feeling they were indispensable our sgt major use to tell us to stick our hand in a bucket of water, then pull it out real fast. The size of the whole left behind was indicative of our indispensability. Always a humbling experience.
Yes, I found that amusing.The white knight rides again… apparently @KelvinMace ’s direct words and intentions are up for debate and dissection but those of the CEO of the company being discussed are off limits.
A mountain of tweets amplifying unhinged racist theories and antisemitic tropes are now “hearsay”…
*Sigh* By "Me too" I meant I too had bought a LR with AP, not that I considered buying the $35K model.
Also, if you are using the legal definition of hearsay, i.e., that legal testimony by a witness about another person's statements is not admissible in court, you would be correct in using that word to describe what I said about Musk. However, this is not a courtroom, thus I am using the non-legal definition of the word in the dictionary:
hearsay
noun
information that you have heard but do not know to be true:
hearsay
1. information that you have heard but do not know to be true: 2. information…
dictionary.cambridge.org
Other definitions include:
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
things that you have heard from another person but do not (definitely) know to be true
Since Musk posted his views on Twitter, they are "adequately substantiated". The evidence of my stated interpretation of Musk's character are entirely backed up by his public statements on Twitter. You are, of course, free to disregard what you will.
Your posts here are evidence of defending Musk, it figuratively describes what you are doing. As for your argument, that has also been rebutted, we are now just discussing the motives for your argument.
I judge Elon on his own words that he chose to post to his own personal website he paid $44 billion for. The fact that the media reported on his own posts is kind of irrelevant to the point. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
And Elon Musk is his own worst enemy.
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Because Elmo has lost his mind and thinks Tesla is an AI company.
More like a whole bunch of people lost their minds since "Elmo" said things they don't agree with, now we have to pretend those are the worst possible things - even if you can't hear it when you read it, trust us, dogs can. Everyone must conform, we'll make an example of "Elmo" to show you why.
It's $20-$30 stock if it's just a car company, and probably going out of business like most car companies when the the sales curve falls away from the capex curve in a very capex heavy business.
Anyway, does someone have actual news about the supercharging situation like I asked above?
Interesting. I thought it was just getting real when KelvinMace wrote: "His pushing of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, his amplifying of racist bigots on a media platform he was so obsessed with that he bought for about three-four times what it was worth, and his courting of politicians who are destroying the mission of EV/green energy transition is, to put it mildly, not rational behavior at all. He has now become the enemy of what he espoused."
Although there are 90 CEOs of the Fortune 100 companies that the vast majority of people cannot name, there are a few who stand out, because they make a point of standing out. Musk is one of those. If Musk were to fulfill the fiduciary responsibility of a CEO to act in the best interests of the company, he would have to be far more taciturn regarding his egregious and offensive political views. However, he appears to be too unhinged and narcissistic to act as a mature, caring, thoughtful CEO.
A "logical intelligent conversation about a car manufacturer" necessarily will, at the time of large layoffs, put the spotlight on the CEO. Is he or she perceived as cruel, or shortsighted, or foolish? If so, the company value and future prospects can be affected.
As you are no doubt aware, Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer and an inspiration to Nazis. That means that Jewish people around the world were less likely to by Ford products. Can you see that connection? Then perhaps you can see that Musk's personal life can affect the Tesla corporation in adverse ways. There are certainly other CEOs who are antisemitic and racist, but they are not so wildly narcissistic to broadcast their views so strongly to the world as Musk does. Do so, and you can expect to get kicked out as CEO.
The publicized views of any CEO will affect sales in obvious ways, but will also affect who wants to work for the company, who wants to lend money to the company, who wants to buy the stock, etc, etc. When a CEO says "DEI must DIE", that makes many people less likely to want to work at the CEO's company.
When you wrote, "You lost me when you started attacking him personally for being antisemitic and a bigoted racist," were you thinking that it is not nice to criticize any person for being antisemitic and a bigoted racist? To me, attacking a person for being antisemitic and a bigoted racist seems like a good thing.
Although your ideas may seem odd to me, I am not going to suggest that you take them elsewhere. You have livened up the discussion here.
Seems unlikely. Perhaps some group of people who are desperate for work and willing feel like scabs... but a team, a doubt it. Tesla does not appear to be a "team" sort of company.
Ostrichsak
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Yeah, I think we're done here. Good luck with all of the constructive investigative journalism going on here. I'm sure y'all will get to the bottom of this mystery in no time what with the collection of thinkers you've assembled here.
Elon has rather made an example of himself. He criticizes others
Yes, I kind love how they defend Musk against "personal" and "hearsay" attacks for his publicly expressed views. The comparison to Henry Ford is DEAD on the money. As has been said many times, when people tell you who they are, believe them.
The more I think about Musk's firing the whole SC department, the more troubling it becomes. First, it smacks of petty, short-sighted, impulsive vindictiveness. Second, it literally now creates FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) in the EV community as a whole, given Tesla's vanguard role in advocating for EVs for the last 15+ years. Third, it betrays the mission and damages the message of EV advocacy, since it is literally self-inflicted. The FUD is now coming from inside the house. Fourth, while J3400/NACs was an open standard Tesla was not going to profit from with license fees, Tesla was highly influential on the standard and its implementation/interpretation. That influence is now GONE! Fifth, firing the entire department just threw out decades of institutional knowledge and memory. The people who were critical in the design and execution of the charger design, and the people who researched locations and negotiated with local, state, and federal officials are all now GONE! The people working with other automakers to coordinate the future use of the SC network are now GONE!
Elon has just handed fossil fuel companies and Tesla's competitors major ammunition to attack not just Tesla, but EV and green energy going forward.
These jobs are more than just space holders for warm bodies, and anyone brought in will require months, if not years to get up to the level of expertise held by all the people just fired.
We are not depending on journalists to prove Musk's bigotry, we have his own words. But somehow you seem to view Musk's own stated beliefs as irrelevant to people's judgement of his actions. The comparison to Henry Ford's anti-Semitism is appropriate, factually and historically. Are you now going to claim the evidence against Ford is a personal, hearsay attack?
I’m pretty sure the idea is not to have the new team do the job the same way as the old team…which was obviously not doing the job the way management wanted it done.
Change is good.
When companies get rid of whole departments, divisions or layers of management…it’s either to look more appealing to Wall Street, boost the boss’s performance dividend or more likely to fend off an existential crisis.
Elon has been through this situation before with Tesla…maybe he can accurately read the writing on the wall.
Elon has been through this situation before with Tesla…maybe he can accurately read the writing on the wall.
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