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Electric charging world wide?

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by sunnyvale, Apr 1, 2016.

  1. sunnyvale

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    Did I understand Elon correctly about the Electric charging will be compatible world wide?

    Right now you can't charge the US car in Europe because the supercharger is not compatible. I think he said that for the Model 3 this will be fixed?
     
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    That's what it sounded like - referring to the on board charger. I'm not really sure how much difference it makes in practice as very few people would move their car between continents on a regular basis, would they?
     
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    He said Model 3 could adjust to any voltage and current. I assume you would need an appropriate connector and/or adapter for your region.
     
  4. sunnyvale

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    I would and its really bad that you can't use supercharger, than warranty is voided, problems with LTE/3G, Service is issue etc etc.

    I Think Tesla should fix this issue and make it world wide united.
     
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    Yes but right now Model S and Model X can't be charged in Europe on Supercharger no matter what connector you use.
     
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    Right now, yes. However, all the hardware is compatible - there is nothing I know of preventing Tesla from building an adapter that allows a US spec car to charge at an EU supercharger. I haven't heard even hints of such a thing, but it wouldn't be hard for Tesla to make if they felt the need.
     
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    I found online about moving US Tesla to the EU.

    * Tesla EU will not honour any US warranty, they will not apply service fixes, recalls, etc etc [and this is not a guess - they are on record as saying that they will not do this]

    * Tesla EU will not maintain or repair the car once it's out of warranty (so if you have a failure you will have to either get a third party to do the work for you, or return the car to the US)

    * US cars have a different charging connector so cannot access EU superchargers, or charge from 3 phase power sources; in practice you will be limited to 7kW AC charging and possibly CHAdeMO rapids

    * US car remote fobs use a different frequency to EU ones and may be illegal in your country

    * Even if you do manage to get connectivity (by switching the SIM or by using wifi tethering) it is likely that a US car will not have EU mapping on board so you will have no satnav, and the slacker music streaming service will also probably not work when it detects you're outside the US

    * The radio will quite probably not work, and certainly you will not get DAB

    * You will most likely need to make other changes relating to adapting to local regulations (e.g. fitting rear fog lights, changes to indicator lamp colour etc)

    * Shipping an electric car by ship is a huge hassle because hazardous materials regulations require that the battery be transported separately from the car, so you have to pay someone to remove and reconnect it (and see previous point about the fact that Tesla will not help you)

    * If you import a complete car into the EU you may have to pay import duty (Tesla get around this by importing multiple separate components and then only finishing the cars at Tilburg after they enter the EU).


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    Actually it is possible to use a US Tesla in Europe. But there are some

    things to know first. Frequency is not a problem, both US and EU Teslas

    are rated 45-65hz for their respective on-board AC chargers.

    In the

    US, for historical reasons, Tesla uses it's own connector. In the EU the

    Mennekes standard is used. This means the inlet on the US version of

    the car will not be able to use the European superchargers, at least,

    not without a VERY special adapter being hand built.. Even then the VIN

    numbers for US models would have to be authorized for use on the EU

    network and this is beyond the scope of a YouTube comment. You will not

    be able to use EU public charging without a specialist cable being

    built, or using a bit of adaption.. but that is not unusual, many

    European chargers require the user to supply the cable specific to their

    car. The simplest way to achieve this is to use a standard EU Mennekes

    to J1772 cable, then use the US Tesla's included J1772 to “US Tesla

    connector” adapter. The car will charge at public stations with this

    simple arrangement. **All you have to buy is a 32 Amp Mennekes to J1772 cable for this to work properly.**

    The

    next thing to be aware of it that in the EU the Mennekes standard

    allows the use of three phase AC charging which is fairly common in some

    European areas. The US connector is single phase but at higher

    amperage. Three phase power is only common in distribution, and

    industrial/commercial areas in the US. So your US Tesla may charge

    slower from some stations that are three phase, because you will only be

    using one of the phases.

    You may also use the US Tesla's UMC in

    Europe with hand built adapters. The US UMC includes a NEMA 5-15p

    adapter (US domestic Mains) which charges at 12 amps maximum. The

    adapter UMC and on-board charger(s) will accept any voltage between

    85-265 VAC You may construct an adapter from NEMA 5-15r to CEE 7/4

    (Type C/F, Schuko). You may also want a NEMA 5-15r to BS1363 (British

    Mains). The US UMC also comes with a NEMA 14-50 adapter, other adapters

    you may want would be NEMA 14-50r to any IEC 16 or 32 amp sockets. Those

    are the red & blue plugs Bjørn is using. But with these kind of

    adapters you will always need to manually set the charge current to 32

    or 16 amps because the Tesla NEMA 14-50p adapter will by default will

    pass up to 40 amps. Also any adapters you use must be wired only for 230

    volts because the US Charger will not Handle 400 volts AC.
     

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