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Electric vehicle registration hike in Idaho
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kindofblue
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The piece you posted also said that you can pay per mile driven w/an annual report. Thing is, without gas taxes how can we fairly fund road maintenance?
If you drive an ICE car you already pay by mile! The registration for Idaho for electric vehicles is already double right now. With this new bill it will be 4X as much. It’s unfair.
There are lots of ways without gas taxes to fund road maintenance. It is a common tactic of republican legislatures to try sticking it to the EV owner. I would suggest moving from Idaho.
We have $130 in NC and we were one of the firsts. It is higher than it should be but not unreasonable. $300 is just being petty. For those doing math, that is about 900 gallons worth or 18,000 miles on a pretty inefficient car. More like 27,000 miles on an average car.
We have $130 in NC and we were one of the firsts. It is higher than it should be but not unreasonable. $300 is just being petty. For those doing math, that is about 900 gallons worth or 18,000 miles on a pretty inefficient car. More like 27,000 miles on an average car.
whitex
Well-Known Member
Washington state has $150. The sneaked it in by having people vote for $10 per year EV tax, which was voted in, then they hiked it to $100 the following year and $150 after that - no voter approval required to hike a tax, only to add a new one, hence the $10 EV Tax proposition which passed. Welcome to politics.
That said, that $150 is worth about 500 galons of gas taxes to the state, which is not unfair (I just don't like the way they did it). I know some people thing EV's should get special treatment, but road tax has nothing to do with clean air, so why should EV's get a break on that. I don't hear anyone say EV owners should get a discount on tires, car washes, or even groceries and clothing? I get that some people have a hard time separating things, and it seems contradictory that the same government would give tax incentives to EV's and at the same time try to add extra road taxes to the EV registration, but it really isn't. Road taxes pay for the road, the issue is that currently that taxation is done in large part via gasoline taxes. The proper way would be to tax every road vehicle, ICE or EV, per mile driven per weight of the vehicle - simple and fair. EV's can get incentives in other forms (e.g. tax refunds or tax exemptions) to reward their good impact on the environment. Unfortunately pay per mile has many implementation issues associated with it, such as privacy, so it might take some time.
Now, all that said, our governor recently introduced another proposal, to get all EV's to pay $0.15 per mile in top of the existing $150. They tried sneaking it in the COVID-19 relief bill too (again, politicians are sneaky beasts). The justification of course if that EV's are rich people's toys, that Washington state doesn't have a pollution problem (one of the cleanest air states), and the rich should pay "their fair share". I'll let you guess which political party governs Washington state
If they do get that passed, my next car will be a V8 or V12 ICE, with a couple of superchargers for extra power. If that is what the government wants to encourage, that is what the government gets, I cannot change the world, so I just adjust to the rules as they change. You may find it outrageous, but you know what, that is the government the people of Washington state elected my a sweeping majority, and if the people prefer to suck on my exhaust, rather than me driving EVs, who am I to question the will of the people. Hopefully this will resolve itself before the eTron GT RS starts selling in the USA, so I can make the choice then. It's been a while since I looked at ICE cars, but will if needed- ICE with 1000hp after all the modifications should suffice to replace a Tesla.
PS> As an added piece of information, I pay over $2,000 in registration/tabs per year for two Teslas, so the government gets their fair share already.
That said, that $150 is worth about 500 galons of gas taxes to the state, which is not unfair (I just don't like the way they did it). I know some people thing EV's should get special treatment, but road tax has nothing to do with clean air, so why should EV's get a break on that. I don't hear anyone say EV owners should get a discount on tires, car washes, or even groceries and clothing? I get that some people have a hard time separating things, and it seems contradictory that the same government would give tax incentives to EV's and at the same time try to add extra road taxes to the EV registration, but it really isn't. Road taxes pay for the road, the issue is that currently that taxation is done in large part via gasoline taxes. The proper way would be to tax every road vehicle, ICE or EV, per mile driven per weight of the vehicle - simple and fair. EV's can get incentives in other forms (e.g. tax refunds or tax exemptions) to reward their good impact on the environment. Unfortunately pay per mile has many implementation issues associated with it, such as privacy, so it might take some time.
Now, all that said, our governor recently introduced another proposal, to get all EV's to pay $0.15 per mile in top of the existing $150. They tried sneaking it in the COVID-19 relief bill too (again, politicians are sneaky beasts). The justification of course if that EV's are rich people's toys, that Washington state doesn't have a pollution problem (one of the cleanest air states), and the rich should pay "their fair share". I'll let you guess which political party governs Washington state
If they do get that passed, my next car will be a V8 or V12 ICE, with a couple of superchargers for extra power. If that is what the government wants to encourage, that is what the government gets, I cannot change the world, so I just adjust to the rules as they change. You may find it outrageous, but you know what, that is the government the people of Washington state elected my a sweeping majority, and if the people prefer to suck on my exhaust, rather than me driving EVs, who am I to question the will of the people. Hopefully this will resolve itself before the eTron GT RS starts selling in the USA, so I can make the choice then. It's been a while since I looked at ICE cars, but will if needed- ICE with 1000hp after all the modifications should suffice to replace a Tesla.PS> As an added piece of information, I pay over $2,000 in registration/tabs per year for two Teslas, so the government gets their fair share already.
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Yes I used to get charged extra because I installed a propane conversion in my Jeep, way back when.
But if you guys think you have it bad, here there's an additional excise tax to fund the new transit system being built, based on a car's value. Mine adds $1,200/yr to other registration fees. So thank yer lucky stars.
But if you guys think you have it bad, here there's an additional excise tax to fund the new transit system being built, based on a car's value. Mine adds $1,200/yr to other registration fees. So thank yer lucky stars.
FoxSTL2HOU
Member
When we bought in MO 6 yrs ago, there was a $75ish EV surcharge due at registration with an accompanying decal you were supposed to have displayed on the windshield or you could be subject to fines. Combined with MO being a personal-property tax state (using 1/3 of the car's value as the tax basis), the $ added up.
Imagine my surprise, upon moving to big-oil TX, to find that not only was there not an EV surcharge, its actually cheaper than a gasoline ICE, because we get to avoid the required annual emissions testing most vehicles are subject to.
Imagine my surprise, upon moving to big-oil TX, to find that not only was there not an EV surcharge, its actually cheaper than a gasoline ICE, because we get to avoid the required annual emissions testing most vehicles are subject to.
It's strange that people who support progressive taxing policies complain so much about a tax that will mostly be paid by affluent people in the foreseeable future. I pay an additional $100 here annually.
You want a Tesla, pay up. Poor people don't buy new cars (unless it's from a predatory lending situation), much less new EV's.
You want a Tesla, pay up. Poor people don't buy new cars (unless it's from a predatory lending situation), much less new EV's.
jlv1
Twice as much fun
Idaho gasoline tax is $0.33/gal (ref: Gas Tax by State 2020 - Current State Diesel & Motor Fuel Tax Rates)
If you drive 12000 miles/year in an ICE that does 30 mi/gal, you'll use 400 gallons of gasoline. That would result in paying $132 in gas tax per year.
It seems like the existing registration fee of $140/year is a fair amount for an EV to pay in order to make up for lost gas taxes.
It seems like the new proposed fee of $300/year is just the government grabbing money.
FWIW, the new per-mile rate quoted in the article of $.025/mi also works out to $300/year if you drive 12000 miles. Again, that is much more than an equivalent ICE would incur in gas tax.
If you drive 12000 miles/year in an ICE that does 30 mi/gal, you'll use 400 gallons of gasoline. That would result in paying $132 in gas tax per year.
It seems like the existing registration fee of $140/year is a fair amount for an EV to pay in order to make up for lost gas taxes.
It seems like the new proposed fee of $300/year is just the government grabbing money.
FWIW, the new per-mile rate quoted in the article of $.025/mi also works out to $300/year if you drive 12000 miles. Again, that is much more than an equivalent ICE would incur in gas tax.
Cheburashka
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. We have the same thing here in California and I don't think there is a single republican that lives within a hundred miles of me.
I lived in WA before ID. I agree that we should all pay our fair share. But as stated the registration fee is double already and now they want to double it again! I believe it should be based on how much you drive. I did drive a lot more in WA going over the narrows bridge and up to Seattle. Here in Boise everything is very close together and I dislike long road tripsWashington state has $150. The sneaked it in by having people vote for $10 per year EV tax, which was voted in, then they hiked it to $100 the following year and $150 after that - no voter approval required to hike a tax, only to add a new one, hence the $10 EV Tax proposition which passed. Welcome to politics.
That said, that $150 is worth about 500 galons of gas taxes to the state, which is not unfair (I just don't like the way they did it). I know some people thing EV's should get special treatment, but road tax has nothing to do with clean air, so why should EV's get a break on that. I don't hear anyone say EV owners should get a discount on tires, car washes, or even groceries and clothing? I get that some people have a hard time separating things, and it seems contradictory that the same government would give tax incentives to EV's and at the same time try to add extra road taxes to the EV registration, but it really isn't. Road taxes pay for the road, the issue is that currently that taxation is done in large part via gasoline taxes. The proper way would be to tax every road vehicle, ICE or EV, per mile driven per weight of the vehicle - simple and fair. EV's can get incentives in other forms (e.g. tax refunds or tax exemptions) to reward their good impact on the environment. Unfortunately pay per mile has many implementation issues associated with it, such as privacy, so it might take some time.
Now, all that said, our governor recently introduced another proposal, to get all EV's to pay $0.15 per mile in top of the existing $150. They tried sneaking it in the COVID-19 relief bill too (again, politicians are sneaky beasts). The justification of course if that EV's are rich people's toys, that Washington state doesn't have a pollution problem (one of the cleanest air states), and the rich should pay "their fair share". I'll let you guess which political party governs Washington state
PS> As an added piece of information, I pay over $2,000 in registration/tabs per year for two Teslas, so the government gets their fair share already.
Whoever uses the roads more should pay more. Obviously that is somewhat included in the gas tax because if you drive more you use more gas. Anyway it seems the politicians are trying to bleed money from everyone. And targeting electric cars is not good. What happened to clean energy? I don’t mind taxes/fees as long as it’s fair.I don’t see your point about poor people. And you’re making an assumption that people who drive EV’s are rich. Simply not true. Especially when the M3 is much cheaper than the S or X are other EV car manufacturers are cheaper still. The point of my post is I do not want to pay more just because I drive an electric car. That’s not the same thing as paying my fair share. Which I am willing to do. If you think $300 is nothing then maybe you are the wealthy one
The registration amount should be based on how much you use the roads. This is money grabbing.I don’t see your point about poor people. And you’re making an assumption that people who drive EV’s are rich. Simply not true. Especially when the M3 is much cheaper than the S or X are other EV car manufacturers are cheaper still. The point of my post is I do not want to pay more just because I drive an electric car. That’s not the same thing as paying my fair share. Which I am willing to do. If you think $300 is nothing then maybe you are the wealthy one
maybe that because of all the rich Californian's that keep moving there....hahahaha
I live in Washington State as well, and what gets me is that EVs AND Hybrids also now get charged an additional $75 fee supposedly for electric charging infrastructure. This is ON TOP of the $150 EV fee mentioned above. So all EVs pay an additional $225 just for the sake of being an EV. The part that makes no sense and is truly a money grab is that while you don't pay the $150 on hybrids, they do charge you the $75!! Remember the $75 is for electric charging infrastructure that hybrids DON'T and CAN'T use!!! Go figure!
Washington State is becoming another California with their FAR LEFT ways and it's really sad. I think it's one of the best states in the country to live in weather-wise, but the politicians are killing this state.
Washington State is becoming another California with their FAR LEFT ways and it's really sad. I think it's one of the best states in the country to live in weather-wise, but the politicians are killing this state.
whitex
Well-Known Member
Perhaps all those Californians are moving to Washington to get away from California, then voting in California style government. Reminds me of an ex-coworker who is a Russian immigrant and who is big and open fan of communism. I asked him once why on earth he lives in the USA, instead of communist Russia where he has citizenship. His answer, "Russia doesn't know how to do communism right", so he wants US to turn communist because he truly believes that to be the best system in the world (presumably based on his mandatory schooling back in Russia).
PS> Did you notice that Washington is so much in the bag for the left, that the Associated Press calls WA for the democrats as soon as the first vote comes in, regardless of who that vote is for? Attached is a screenshot I took on my phone during last election - AP called a win for Biden with 1% reporting and Trump having the majority of the reported votes. That is how certain the left wins are in Washington in today's times.
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Did it look like I was whinging to you? Seems to me I was trying to make others feel better.
galvatron
So you're in Bothell. ('Brothel'?, lol) And you think the weather is great? I think most agree that for half the year it is soaking wet. No that feeling you vaguely perceive is a fantastic economy and good vibes. You have chosen to live in a FAR LEFT region and that's what it is about -- whereas it appears you should be in a nice middle-America Red State like Nebraska rather than enjoying our oxygen. You know not whence the locus is.Signed: A Democratic Socialist
Yes I did notice. Boy did I notice. I was livid! I was watching the results of our state right at 8:00pm because it was not only the presidential race, but the Governor race I was very interested in. And immediately, everything showed BLUE won at 8:01pm. Talk about messed up... rigged or not, that just seems wrong.
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