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Thanks. Looks like they drove VP18.
I wish they had some accompanying video with Tiff behind the wheel.
"...the fact that it only comes with left-hand drive."
Back at the Menlo Park store opening Darryl told me that they had to switch HVAC vendors in order to be able to do right-hand drive. I suppose once they get that worked out, they might think about entering the Japanese market.
I wish they had some accompanying video with Tiff behind the wheel.
"...the fact that it only comes with left-hand drive."
Back at the Menlo Park store opening Darryl told me that they had to switch HVAC vendors in order to be able to do right-hand drive. I suppose once they get that worked out, they might think about entering the Japanese market.
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The screen left of the driver's side says how many barrels of oil you've saved. Ha!
This is very interesting...
"The Tesla's batteries should last over five years, 500 recharging cycles and between 100,000 and 120,000 miles, and cost £5000 to replace at today's prices."
If the Roadster's batteries cost this little it would be great, but I really doubt it. Some mistake must've been made here; no where have I ever heard such a low price.
This is very interesting...
"The Tesla's batteries should last over five years, 500 recharging cycles and between 100,000 and 120,000 miles, and cost £5000 to replace at today's prices."
If the Roadster's batteries cost this little it would be great, but I really doubt it. Some mistake must've been made here; no where have I ever heard such a low price.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Maybe they are hoping in 5 years from now the battery price will come down through mass production and increased volume?
DaveD
EVs Kick Gas!
Judging by the cloud of smoke, they did a bit of torque testing with the traction control turned off.
By the way, this article was posted on June 23rd (I was a bit off the ball with this one :smile
, so the car was probably with the original drivetrain spec. The article would have been written by a Fifth Gear 'staffer'. I understand the car will feature on the new series/season which starts tomorrow - though not on the first show.
I'm a bit disappointed with the 3/5 score. The article seems quite positive up to that point. It appears to derive from the high price (don't forget this is on a par with the Audi R8 over here, and this article neglects to include VAT at 17.5%) and I think playing it safe with a first UK review.
The £5000 battery price has to be a mistake. Unless Tesla negotiated a mega-deal, it would have to be around 3 times under reality.
Regarding RHD, having to source a new HVAC supplier is news to me, but I was told some reengineering was going on to move the equipment to accomodate a steering column on the right.
, so the car was probably with the original drivetrain spec. The article would have been written by a Fifth Gear 'staffer'. I understand the car will feature on the new series/season which starts tomorrow - though not on the first show.I'm a bit disappointed with the 3/5 score. The article seems quite positive up to that point. It appears to derive from the high price (don't forget this is on a par with the Audi R8 over here, and this article neglects to include VAT at 17.5%) and I think playing it safe with a first UK review.
The £5000 battery price has to be a mistake. Unless Tesla negotiated a mega-deal, it would have to be around 3 times under reality.
Regarding RHD, having to source a new HVAC supplier is news to me, but I was told some reengineering was going on to move the equipment to accomodate a steering column on the right.
tonybelding
Active Member
Battery Prices
Way back shortly after the Roadster was first unveiled, there was some speculation about battery cost and replacement price.
Even though Tesla weren't telling, everybody pretty much pegged their cell cost over $20,000 per car, perhaps quite a bit over. Someone from Tesla then speculated that IF commodity li-ion pricing trends continued downward as they had in previous years, that the replacement cost should be somewhere around $12,000 by the time any of the ESS packs were worn out and needed replacement.
With all the excitement over automotive li-ion now, and the likelihood of strongly increased demand in the next several years, that prediction should be considered quite shaky.
Then again. . . No other car makers are using commodity li-ion cells. They are all going for new chemistries which may not impact the conventional "laptop battery" market all that much. Whenever car companies get involved with a supplier industry, they're accustomed to everything revolving around them, and their needs driving the market. That may not be true in batteries, at least for a while yet.
At the end of the day, the best answer is: Nobody Knows
Way back shortly after the Roadster was first unveiled, there was some speculation about battery cost and replacement price.
Even though Tesla weren't telling, everybody pretty much pegged their cell cost over $20,000 per car, perhaps quite a bit over. Someone from Tesla then speculated that IF commodity li-ion pricing trends continued downward as they had in previous years, that the replacement cost should be somewhere around $12,000 by the time any of the ESS packs were worn out and needed replacement.
With all the excitement over automotive li-ion now, and the likelihood of strongly increased demand in the next several years, that prediction should be considered quite shaky.
Then again. . . No other car makers are using commodity li-ion cells. They are all going for new chemistries which may not impact the conventional "laptop battery" market all that much. Whenever car companies get involved with a supplier industry, they're accustomed to everything revolving around them, and their needs driving the market. That may not be true in batteries, at least for a while yet.
At the end of the day, the best answer is: Nobody Knows
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
graham
Active Member
So, this quotation is almost exactly 2 years old.
If the prices did continue to fall 8% per year, and the batteries were $20,000 in August of 2006, that would make them $16.9k now? And $15.5k this time next year?
(unless the current batteries were some of the 80% of the car parts purchased when they expected to go into production August 2007...)
If the prices did continue to fall 8% per year, and the batteries were $20,000 in August of 2006, that would make them $16.9k now? And $15.5k this time next year?
(unless the current batteries were some of the 80% of the car parts purchased when they expected to go into production August 2007...)
No Roadster on the show yet, but last night they did test its aquatic cousin :smile:
The Show - Fifth Gear
The Show - Fifth Gear
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JRP3
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That's insane I love it :biggrin:
Now can someone explain the "Top Gear" "Fifth Gear" shows? I thought that one became the other, but they seem to be 2 different shows that use the exact same format?
I love it :biggrin:Now can someone explain the "Top Gear" "Fifth Gear" shows? I thought that one became the other, but they seem to be 2 different shows that use the exact same format?
Top Gear is the original BBC show that used to have several of the Fifth Gear presenters. It was much more serious in its style than either of the present incarnations and covered a lot more "regular" cars as well as the sports cars and supercars. It was cancelled circa 2001 and most of the presenters on it went to start a very similar show on our Channel 5 - hence the name Fifth Gear.
However Jeremy Clarkson remained with the BBC and restarted the show in the current format in 2002 - much more studio based and chatty. Incidentally I was in the audience for the first show - now there is some ridiculous waiting list for that :smile: Fifth Gear tried to go more towards that format in recent years, but last night's show was heading back towards a more serious style in the main and personally I preferred it.
Top Gear (original format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Top Gear (current format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Fifth Gear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However Jeremy Clarkson remained with the BBC and restarted the show in the current format in 2002 - much more studio based and chatty. Incidentally I was in the audience for the first show - now there is some ridiculous waiting list for that :smile: Fifth Gear tried to go more towards that format in recent years, but last night's show was heading back towards a more serious style in the main and personally I preferred it.
Top Gear (original format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Top Gear (current format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Fifth Gear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I wouldn't go as far as that level of rivalry - it's not like football clubs for example. They tend to be screened when the other is off-air (Top Gear just finished until October, whereas 5th Gear started again last night) and most of the car fans I know watch both just to keep up their intake of new material.
When people do express an opinion on the shows, it tends to be based on whether you like/dislike the presenters (particularly Clarkson), rather than some ingrained liking or loathing for the shows.
Top Gear definitely benefits internationally from the BBC connection. It's also shown on BBC World in a lot of markets and is one of the few non-current affairs or news shows on there. I've just checked the BBC America line up and that channel is dominated by their own material (I don't think there is a Ch 5 show on there, with just a few from ITV and Ch4), so perhaps it has been deemed there ain't room for two car shows. Five's majority shareholder - RTL - isn't all that active in the US market, so perhaps that hurts them also, but I did notice it is being shown on Discovery Canada now.
When people do express an opinion on the shows, it tends to be based on whether you like/dislike the presenters (particularly Clarkson), rather than some ingrained liking or loathing for the shows.
Top Gear definitely benefits internationally from the BBC connection. It's also shown on BBC World in a lot of markets and is one of the few non-current affairs or news shows on there. I've just checked the BBC America line up and that channel is dominated by their own material (I don't think there is a Ch 5 show on there, with just a few from ITV and Ch4), so perhaps it has been deemed there ain't room for two car shows. Five's majority shareholder - RTL - isn't all that active in the US market, so perhaps that hurts them also, but I did notice it is being shown on Discovery Canada now.
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Apparently the Roadster will be on Fifth Gear on September 1st.
[14x04] September 1st, 2008 - FinalGear.com Forums
[14x04] September 1st, 2008 - FinalGear.com Forums
Here is the segment from tonight's show. Vicki Butler-Henderson drove VP4 up the hill at Goodwood and then VP12 was in the studio.
Comments - Vicki was clearly enjoying herself but mentioned the lack of noise makes it hard to judge speed. Then driving a second car up the hill, again talks about the noise.
In the following segment on the KTM X-bow, Tiff talked a lot about that car's lack of noise and how it wasn't exciting (despite being as quick as an Atom). They then dubbed over sounds from Aston Martins, F1 cars, etc. It was almost like they were trying to make a point for the rest of the show. I cut that out due to the file size, but tacked the conclusion from the guys in the studio on the end (where VP12 is also still in view).
Comments - Vicki was clearly enjoying herself but mentioned the lack of noise makes it hard to judge speed. Then driving a second car up the hill, again talks about the noise.
In the following segment on the KTM X-bow, Tiff talked a lot about that car's lack of noise and how it wasn't exciting (despite being as quick as an Atom). They then dubbed over sounds from Aston Martins, F1 cars, etc. It was almost like they were trying to make a point for the rest of the show. I cut that out due to the file size, but tacked the conclusion from the guys in the studio on the end (where VP12 is also still in view).
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Crap. Here we have a significant advance on existing punishment cars and now the lack of sound is the main talking point!
If tracks/old aerodromes the testing environment of choice then this is likely to come up again and again.
These Tesla drives need to get out on public roads
Edited To Add: Both Vicki and Tiff were wearing crash helmets! Hardly surprising then that she couldn't hear the Tesla and that he wanted more noise from the X-bow.
If tracks/old aerodromes the testing environment of choice then this is likely to come up again and again.
These Tesla drives need to get out on public roads
Edited To Add: Both Vicki and Tiff were wearing crash helmets! Hardly surprising then that she couldn't hear the Tesla and that he wanted more noise from the X-bow.
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