smorgasbord
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I guess chrome wasn't enough for Bieber. He's now got some kind of undercarriage light show on his car:
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Fisker Karma
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jordanthompson
2018 P100D Model X
I hope I am not repeating this post, but here is a review from a Fisker owner - its hilarious!
Fisker Karma: An Owners Review - YouTube
Fisker Karma: An Owners Review - YouTube
Yeah, this video has been well-covered. The owner was sort of ostracized from the karma forums over it and his various negative posts (to be fair, some WERE a bit harsh)
ToddRLockwood
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Wow. What a nightmare of a car! In comparison, the Model S seems like a rock solid automobile. The Fisker owner was a tad generous in his final summation, but who can blame him?
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Whenever he said "fire up" or "explode" in his review, it made me cringe!
Sorry to hear (in great detail) that Fisker chose to put form over function and missed out on an opportunity to put forward a truly desirable EV-ER.
The Karma brought to mind a few "demoware" software projects that I worked on on occasion in the past - looks all cool and fancy on the surface but, is all compromises, shortcuts and a whole lot of duct tape under the covers.
Sorry to hear (in great detail) that Fisker chose to put form over function and missed out on an opportunity to put forward a truly desirable EV-ER.
The Karma brought to mind a few "demoware" software projects that I worked on on occasion in the past - looks all cool and fancy on the surface but, is all compromises, shortcuts and a whole lot of duct tape under the covers.
For reference (so we don't end up getting circular), these videos were already discussed in this thread, with much commentary:
Fisker Karma - Page 163
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Fisker Karma - Page 155
Fisker Karma - Page 163
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Fisker Karma - Page 155
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smorgasbord
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So C&D says the Karma does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, but needs 6 seconds to go from 5-60? Really??
So, if you're driving at 5MPH and want to accelerate, you should slam on the brakes and then the accelerator to get to 60 sooner?
DrTaras
R254->R725->S->X->M3->M3P-->R2020?
I'll admit that I'm about to do something that irks me, but I haven't been following all 1692 comments thus far so sorry if I'm repeating or offending but should Fisker (whom I HOPE succeeds) want to be compared to Volt (whom I also hope succeeds)? The headline looses me.
Does Ferrari want to be compared to a 'Vette? Does Rolls want to be compared to a Cadillac?
Top Gear meets Leonardo DiCaprio - BBC Top Gear
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So what drew DiCaprio to Fisker in the first place? "I started trying hybrids, which were fantastic. But you can say that there are lots of vehicles out there that get equal or better mileage. Then I bought two electric vehicles, which I found I never wanted to drive. I was afraid of being stranded on the Pacific Coast Highway and standing at a restaurant for six hours while my vehicle's plugged in.
"So the idea of this extended-range Fisker, which has the ability to be electric for a full day if you're not doing a road trip, but also allows you to take a spontaneous road trip if you decide to...." And the looks must have helped. "Oh yes, it's fantastic-looking. It drives like a sports car. It's amazing. It was a natural progression. I wanted to be part of the company and invest in it."
But, other than hoping to make a financial return on his investment, and have Fisker help to raise awareness of his Foundation, is there anything else he is hoping to achieve with the partnership? "I think the only thing would be to make cars that are lower in cost. And that's coming soon with the Atlantic [Fisker's upcoming smaller car]. Because you want everyone to be able to drive a vehicle like this."
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So what drew DiCaprio to Fisker in the first place? "I started trying hybrids, which were fantastic. But you can say that there are lots of vehicles out there that get equal or better mileage. Then I bought two electric vehicles, which I found I never wanted to drive. I was afraid of being stranded on the Pacific Coast Highway and standing at a restaurant for six hours while my vehicle's plugged in.
"So the idea of this extended-range Fisker, which has the ability to be electric for a full day if you're not doing a road trip, but also allows you to take a spontaneous road trip if you decide to...." And the looks must have helped. "Oh yes, it's fantastic-looking. It drives like a sports car. It's amazing. It was a natural progression. I wanted to be part of the company and invest in it."
But, other than hoping to make a financial return on his investment, and have Fisker help to raise awareness of his Foundation, is there anything else he is hoping to achieve with the partnership? "I think the only thing would be to make cars that are lower in cost. And that's coming soon with the Atlantic [Fisker's upcoming smaller car]. Because you want everyone to be able to drive a vehicle like this."
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Drive for a whole day? It's like 40 miles EV, no? Drive to and from work, sure. I still don't get the sports car comparisons either. Like the S, the karma is BIG... It's also slow though and doesn't have the low COG
strider
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That's because they're using roll-out for the 0-60 and (at least w/ ICE's) launch control. 5-60 for all cars is a much more real-world number because it's usable performance for eg running up a freeway on-ramp. This is why it's tough for Model S to compete w/ like an M5 on paper because of launch control. I can't wait to compare 5-60 times for Model S and M5 and Panamera and I think MSP will stomp them.So C&D says the Karma does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, but needs 6 seconds to go from 5-60? Really??
So, if you're driving at 5MPH and want to accelerate, you should slam on the brakes and then the accelerator to get to 60 sooner?
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That was the point of the article - are you getting your money's worth when buying expensive vehicles. They did a bunch of high/low comparisons. Can't recall them off the top of my head.I'll admit that I'm about to do something that irks me, but I haven't been following all 1692 comments thus far so sorry if I'm repeating or offending but should Fisker (whom I HOPE succeeds) want to be compared to Volt (whom I also hope succeeds)? The headline looses me.
Does Ferrari want to be compared to a 'Vette? Does Rolls want to be compared to a Cadillac?
artsci
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I test drove a Fisker Karma today at a National Plugged-In Day in Maryland. It's a good car but it's no Model S (which I've also test-driven). Given its price, the only fair comparison is with the S Performance with the 85 kWh battery, which is the S version I test drove.
The ride, while good, is of lesser quality. The S much smoother and quieter. Acceleration is substantially slower, and to get the best times (just under 6 seconds) the electric motor and ICE have to work together, which makes for more noise and fuel consumption. I found the interior and controls to be a bit gimmicky and not at all to my liking (tacky might be the best word, at least for me). It's like they're trying to appeal to someone with an abundance of money but a shortage of good taste.
The styling is sleek for sure, but some of the details are not well executed. And what can you say about the cheshire cat grin of the front? Weird or amusing at best.
Build quality was not great. Large gaps in the body panels, misaligned cap for the charging port, and lots of other stuff that just didn't seem to fit that well.
No question in my mind about which is the better car in nearly every respect.
The ride, while good, is of lesser quality. The S much smoother and quieter. Acceleration is substantially slower, and to get the best times (just under 6 seconds) the electric motor and ICE have to work together, which makes for more noise and fuel consumption. I found the interior and controls to be a bit gimmicky and not at all to my liking (tacky might be the best word, at least for me). It's like they're trying to appeal to someone with an abundance of money but a shortage of good taste.
The styling is sleek for sure, but some of the details are not well executed. And what can you say about the cheshire cat grin of the front? Weird or amusing at best.
Build quality was not great. Large gaps in the body panels, misaligned cap for the charging port, and lots of other stuff that just didn't seem to fit that well.
No question in my mind about which is the better car in nearly every respect.
NigelM
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The dealer brought 5 (that I counted) to the local plug-in day and someone mentioned to me that there was no waiting list. Reflective of a lack of interest?
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Uhhm, so the range of the Fisker Karma with its range extending internal combustion engine, a fully charged battery and a full tank of gas is... 230 miles, according to the EPA. And the range of the fully electric Model S, with no ICE or combustible gas tank, is 265 miles, according to the same EPA. It will be interesting to see what happens to that "range anxiety" canard once people start comparing real world numbers.
To be fair... the obvious difference there is that you can quickly refuel a Karma. Though, I do wonder how far you go with a full tank and empty battery.
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