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Hello Ames
Has your 85D arrived in Tilburg yet?
maybe you can get a free range upgrade to 90D before it departs to Dubai
I used to travel to UAE. Are you allowed to drive fast on that road from Dubai to Abu Dhabi? Where else?
The US spec UMC is designed for 120VAC and 240VAC which are the two voltages available here. So, running 230VAC through it will be no problem as long as you put it on the correct pins. Also, make sure you use the correct adapter for the current which your circuit can deliver. Tesla makes adapters for 15A, 20A, 30A, 50A circuits. The adapter signals the UMC its rating so that it won't allow the car to pull more current than it should.I wonder if the same is true of the US Spec UMC.. i'm a little apprehensive about pushing 230 V through one hot wire that typically (in the US) gets roughly 120V -- I know its been safely done b4, but it even on this forum I have heard people say "tesla is really pushing the UMC to the limit" of what would be acceptable for a modular cable/charging device.
The US spec UMC is designed for 120VAC and 240VAC
Hello Ames
Has your 85D arrived in Tilburg yet?
maybe you can get a free range upgrade to 90D before it departs to Dubai
You are right. You would have 230V above ground on one pin while in USA, 240V is only 120V above ground. Sorry, I don't know enough details to tell you whether what you propose is safe or not.yes but that is 120 V through each hot wire. if I were to use a US Spec UMC overseas I would be pushing 230 V through one hot leg and neutral through the other.
my question is.. is this acceptable? it is (nearly) double the Voltage each leg would get if I were using it in the USA.
If you ordered the car for export and the original deal was that you would be able to take delivery without paying EU VAT, then I would refuse to take delivery until the paperwork can be sorted out. Once you provide the required paperwork they should be able to get the VAT exemption on an individual case basis. Just because they did not do paperwork properly in the past, that's no reason to punish you for it. What they're doing is just lazy. Emphasize that you still want the car, but paying EU VAT is simply not acceptable for a vehicle that will not be operated there. Now, if you were planning to do something like driving it to Italy to put it on a ship, then you have a problem. That is an expensive holiday tour.Tesla has responded. The car will be ready for transport from Tilburg July 29th; "This means that your car is almost in Tilburg and at this point it is not possible to get the 90kWh upgrade. In the future Tesla might offer this possibility but we have not had any information about this yet."
Now I have a new problem; I have been asked to pay an extra 19,500 Euros of Tax. All my invoices were just updated. They say it is because they have been have been forced to pay the tax themselves due to some other individuals not providing needed documentation to release Tesla. The trouble is, where am I going to find an extra 19,500 Euros in 4 days?
You are right. You would have 230V above ground on one pin while in USA, 240V is only 120V above ground. Sorry, I don't know enough details to tell you whether what you propose is safe or not.
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If you ordered the car for export and the original deal was that you would be able to take delivery without paying EU VAT, then I would refuse to take delivery until the paperwork can be sorted out. Once you provide the required paperwork they should be able to get the VAT exemption on an individual case basis. Just because they did not do paperwork properly in the past, that's no reason to punish you for it. What they're doing is just lazy. Emphasize that you still want the car, but paying EU VAT is simply not acceptable for a vehicle that will not be operated there. Now, if you were planning to do something like driving it to Italy to put it on a ship, then you have a problem. That is an expensive holiday tour.
Tesla has the same problem with California state taxes. If you want to take delivery at the factory, you have to pay California state sales tax. However, if you take delivery in another nearby state that offers temporary registration and no sales tax, then you could drive it on holiday back to your home state from there. If you buy from a California car dealer, but have it picked up by a auto transportation company and trailered out of state, then you don't have to pay tax. If you operate the vehicle in-state at all, no matter how short the duration, you owe the whole tax. The tax they're talking about in Tilburg may be similar.
Sorry to hear this. Next time, to avoid paying sales tax upfront I suggest buying in Norway if you want a Model S in a country that Tesla Motor does not sell directly to.
Norway is not a EU member and we don't have tax/VAT on electric cars here yet, taxes will probably start in 2017.
Another possible advantage is faster shipment since cars shipped to Norway does not need to go through Tilburg.
Thanks for the tip. It all seems very unreasonable especially given that I will not even be allowed to drive the car; it will only be handed over to a shipping agent. I wrote to them simply stating that I cannot afford it. Let's see what happens.
Alex
Alex,
Any update on your situation? I still don't get it why you have to pay VAT, when you're exporting the vehicle outside of EU. If for some reason you must pay it, I presume you'd be eligible for a refund?
Good luck!!
Alex - send me a PM if things are not working out, maybe that I can help. I am a Dutch tax lawyer (and a very happy Tesla driver). My tax law firm also employs VAT experts that might be able to get things rolling. Just let me know if things aren't working out - would be happy to help!
It's over.