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Not really. Would you rather have Tesla claim "in all circumstances"? That would be unwise and obviously impossible to achieve.I don't know if it has changed or not, but Tesla actually doesn't promise full self driving capability. It says "in almost all circumstances " That is rather wide disclaimer.
SAE has carefully distinguished what qualifies as a "Dynamic Driving Task". Level 5 notably does not cover strategic aspects of driving which are trivial, common, and sometimes necessary for a person to handle. Nonetheless a manufacturer may offer some strategic capability - it just has nothing to do with "level 5" autonomy.SAE says "the full-time performance by an automated driving system of all aspects of the dynamic driving task under all roadway and environmental conditions that can be managed by a human driver"
so level 5 does not mean car needs to be capable to handle every possible situation (which is of course impossible), but to handle all the situations that human can. Tesla's promise falls short from this.
Don't get me wrong, it is good, that they don't promise too much. I just want to point out, that Tesla doesn't not promise Level 5 autonomous car.
If you think about the sophistication of artificial intelligence required for a car to figure out appropriate action to take in all driving situations, the limitations agreed upon in the standard are not surprising.Anyway Tesla doesn't sell "full self driving" but "full self driving in almost all circumstances " and to me there is a difference and I hope buyers understand that.
Yes, and Tesla does not state that what it describes as "Full Self Driving Capability" is SAE Level 5.so level 5 does not mean car needs to be capable to handle every possible situation (which is of course impossible), but to handle all the situations that human can. Tesla's promise falls short from this.
The key is in the qualification of "Dynamic Driving Task" which does not cover many necessary decision making abilities.As a layman I'm still puzzled. Could you give me an example, where car can manage
"the full-time performance by an automated driving system of all aspects of the dynamic driving task under all roadway and environmental conditions that can be managed by a human driver"
but still is not capable to do things you described.
Anyway Tesla doesn't sell "full self driving" but "full self driving in almost all circumstances " and to me there is a difference and I hope buyers understand that.
flash is easy to detect and so is reading the sign to check the times vs the current time.What about school zones. When flashing vs not?
That's what I think every time I hear Elon say that the system will be multiple times safer than a human driver. Which human?As if a range of driving abilities across humans is not evident.
As a layman I'm still puzzled. Could you give me an example, where car can manage
"the full-time performance by an automated driving system of all aspects of the dynamic driving task under all roadway and environmental conditions that can be managed by a human driver"
but still is not capable to do things you described.
Well said. I've pretty much resigned myself to the notion that a self-driving car is only going to be the hands down superior choice when the other car is also self-driving.And none of this counts any level of nefarious exploitation of self driving cars.... I would expect a human to be substantially better than a computer at realizing it's being gamed by a road raging driver or some other evil agent.
It is very difficult to imagine that even with Tesla Vision, within the next 1-2 years they can solve all these difficult corner cases better than a human. So I think the wording is apt in that for most driving situations, Tesla's solution may handle it safer than a human driver. But it's really hard to argue that human intelligence has no value-add and is imminently going to be superseded by a machine.